True that, you got a valid point.

I agree. Game in the "old form" is dead. But game (I.E - getting better with girls) will never die as long as men are born with cocks!

Depends where you are on you journey - but openers can be a great tool. Having maybe one idea of someone interesting to talk about can be great too, in case you panic. But other than that - most if it is bollocks. I say get out there talk to people and have fun till you meet someone you actually like!

Seems simple enough to me.

Routines were always gay, if they were someone else's. But, if you've said something in conversation in a certain situation/context and it worked for you - obviously you should keep doing that. It's not really a routine... that's just common sensE!

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those women would be saying that shit if game was never around because guys always over neg women either because theyre being dicks or overcompensating for being scared.

just because someone put a name on an action doesnt mean that when someone 'negs' theyre doing game.

and women always say "oh my god this guy that guy, the other said this and that".

deep down, she's happy she got validated and that a guy wanted his dick in her though. girls love it when they get approaced a 100times a night, thats like a 100 chicks coming up to you and telling you they want your dick. they dress up for it and wear perfume and do their hair, so guys will look (want to fuck) at them.

women love it so much its unreal, and yes they love turning down guys, getting their power trip in a world that doesnt really give women much power anywhere else.

youre just reading into it a bit too much, women say stuff like that all the time. "can i buy you a drink" "hey i wanted to say youre pretty", theyre canned openers because weve heard them and theyre what AFC's (im probably still one) think will work one day.

but in life (i work in a shop with 11 other women, myself the only man) and theyre all dick hungry, reading game stuff only confirms that!

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Most women we fear that a guy will approach us, have sex with us and then move on.
The game and all PUA stuff for is perceived as a method that has as only purpose to do exactly that. No wonder why the girls got upset that they found out about it.

They took it that he wanted to use them and throw them away!

absolutely, admittedly that's how i see it. I have no interest in a relationship, that's why I'm so upfront about that when I talk to a girl.

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@ StandUP

Interesting. I have a question though, what could make you change your mind and proceed into a relationship?

probably nothing. I don't see relationships as healthy, and I know I'm certainly not healthy when in a relationship. I neglect my friends, don't trust my girlfriend, cheat on her, work too hard, don't eat enough, drink too heavily etc.

No girl I know of could change that, which is why I'm always careful to be incredibly honest about my lack of commitment. I don't want to piss people off and hurt girls by pretending to be something I'm not.

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Haha this whole thread confirms what I have learned over the summer and instead of practicing "game" I decided to join Big Brothers Big Sisters, become fluent in Spanish and watched my lean body mass go from 163 to 197 lbs. Yes, these improvements were due to game but anyone with half a brain realizes that women also have at least half a brain, and pick-up, like acting or comedy requires more than lines, theory or thought.

There is only one reason you talk to a girl at a club and they know that. Why in God's name would you talk to any woman at a club other than to hook up? And when a woman wants to hook up why does she want to waste her time with some idiot playing parlor tricks? When I was doing game, and the cube, and negs, and all the rest of the crap, yes it did work, but you know what?

I have had WAY more luck after bulking up and listing off my accomplishments, rather than using game. Women open me up now. I'm not bullshitting you here. You want to improve your game, save your self the time and just find a hobby and go to the gym. Thats it - once you lose that spare tire or inflate your bean pole arms you'll have that confidence because you will truly be an alpha. People move out of your way, women want you to talk to them because you are biologically healthy and thats a go ahead green flag in evolution to fuck.

Ok done ranting - please save yourself all this thinking, go to the gym, get a hobby, watch them come to you like flies to shit...Hey a nerdy guy who does palm reading or hey, a ripped guy that snowboards...hmmm who should I fuck? Let me think here....

Not sure man, all the guys I know that are in great physical shape don't get laid that much. They spend to much time at the gym and don't develop their social skills as much as they should. All the guys I know that do the best with girls are guys that have a natural confident feel, are thin (not bulky) and are funny.

Most of the guys that are really built are seen as tools and overly aggressive and compensating for something. I think that being in good shape helps, but it should never be your focus over social development. I never(and I mean never) go a whole weekend without sex. And I'm just in slightly better than average shape.

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Natural game is the new game. Period.

Stand up, you aren't denying that a woman wants a guy in shape over an out of shape guy are you? I'm advocating going to the gym and not being a slob. There is no other reason that women start talking with me randomly at clubs vs. 6 months ago when I weighed less. Looks are not everything but they are a very nice in with a woman to get your foot in the door.

In all disclosure I do not bang 52 women per year, I would surely have the herp and a kid because my number would be at 416. My friend at 300 has both and I prefer to steer clear of that shit.

certainly not. I'm just saying that "bulk" isn't seen as attractive by many girls. And developing social skills are more important than physical skill.

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*brain explodes*


honestly these pre-defined methods seem just way too overtly contrived and unnatural to me. delivered poorly is it really a surprise girls might catch on?

that chick's a bitch though.

i here that, ive got quite a bit of weight on me, i get complimented and the occasional "oolala" look from girls but its like an opener, if you can follow through with conversation and dominance....

she'll walk away. but it does switch a raw primal sexual switch in women i think (not that all women like muscle, i know quite a lot that dislike it)

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