Been in "The Game" for probably 2/3 years now on and off. Started out like most people. Read the book, thought it was gospel, became fascinated with Mystery Method and went out 5 nights a week looking and sounding like a retard.
When you start out just opening sets of people seems amazing so you believe that MM is your saviour but as i progressed i slowly realised i was getting laid much less than when i went out normally being myself.
Studied a bit, adapted my own styles and i reckon i can comfortably close who i want now, but thats more to do with my attitude and my lifestyle being attractive.

I just want to know.
How many people have been using the routines, the MM, the ebooks and are actually getting LAID off the back of them. Not getting numbers, getting FB closes, i mean having sex reguarly with women who you fascinate.

It was quite a disappointment to me as i looked into this and realised that there wasn't a sequence of codes you use to pull a woman but a part of me wants to still believe that i can study a bit along with my practising and become better with women,

So who here is actually consistently getting laid because of Style and Mysterys stuff?

And has anyone come to the same standstill i am where they are just more comfortable being themselves and developed an attractive lifestyle

It just baffles me when people defend MM when I say that it sucks. Then I realize that these people normally have ONLY tried MM and nothing else... and they're quite happy with just getting numbers and not actually getting laid for some reason...

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It's one of the methods that doesn't suck.

There are many good things about MM. Provided you have studies other methods, and have your inner game sorted out, I see nothing wrong with it, and I could use it personally and get laid all the time.

I would love to say I do use MM to get laid, but I don't really. I don't verbally/intentionally DHV and I don't neg etc.

However, when I attack group sets my general structure is often derived directly from MM. And there are many concepts of MM that still carry through to me even now.

When I am turning a girl into a long term fuckbuddy, I also like to follow M3 - it constrains to you spend a longer amount of time with the girl so that you play solid game, which is useful for a healthy, long-term non-exclusive relationship.

When I am turning a girl into a long term fuckbuddy, I have sex with her again. and again. and so on and so forth.

"Solid game" is Mental Masturbation.

Quoted for truth

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The way I got into natural game from mystery method


When I started out, I went out approx 5 nights a week. Every night I forgot the routines, but to get my goal of approaches I still went in, I had some basic knowledge about cold reads and roleplays from other methods. The rest I filled up with my own input. This seemed to get results, so I forgot about the whole routine deal, I'd just have forgotten them time over time over time.

Chief MM may be not up to date with other methods, but you have to agree MM is the basis for every other method that exists now and it has the basics of "Club Dynamics". Every one goes through MM to understand the basics.
Mod edit: No, it's not. Please check the other MM debate threads to get caught up to speed. -Chief

But many for some reason get stuck on MM and don't adapt, or start studying other methods.

In conclusion MM doesn't "SUCK", IT'S OUTDATED!

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Well I have never used m3 but I have used the fmac to be honest it is structure. I don't see how a sturucture is out dated maybe the routines but the system isn't out dated if it didn't work for u ok.... find something that does but there are many that it does work for. And let's remember that the biggest pick. Up companies are just mm clones

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I don't think you're addressing my point here man.

You just defined fuckbuddy.

Some guys just fuck without solid game, and this can cause emotional problems, ASD, buyer's remorse, general regret, she may not come back for more later, she may only come back a few times or sporadically...etc. That's absolutely fine, if you don't care. And sometimes it works out perfectly anyway.

But my idea of a fuckbuddy is more of an emotionally and physically stable relationship, which can last over years (in fact my previous few were nearly a year, my current one who I'm keeping is one and a half years).

I have an entire process and game for creating fuckbuddies - FB game.

We often talk and share problems and do favours for each other etc. And the fact that I played solid game in the first instance helped me to do this, and M3 might have helped me to play solid game.

But that is only one of the many ways that MM can help you get laid.

Mod edit: Mystery's concept of "solid game" is completely unnecessary. You can lower ASD, prevent emotional problems, prevent Buyer's Remorse, and prevent general regret just by managing expectations properly. That's not part of "solid game;" it's something you need to do all the time, like a prerequisite of gaming in general. And it doesn't take 7 hours. Sometimes it takes less than a minute. If you wish to discuss this further, reply in my MM debate thread, even though I have already addressed this very issue there. I'm replying with mod edits so that new replies can stay on topic, by the way. This thread is about whether MM actually works, not about solid game or the origin of MM and its effects on the rest of the community's methods. -Chief

Seriously guys... Don't start Mystery Method Forum War 3...

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MM to me works when it needs to. if you are the most social retarded, shy, funky lookin kid out there and you look into MM and dress better, us lines, and do it all mathmaticly, you are doing fine

for most of us id say (maybe just some) it seems like there is a little natural ability. for me, that came out when i started game. i could build comfort but for soem reason lacked the balls to just go and meet girls i really wanted, not just the 6s. startin MM, i got confident and dressed better and had a better way with how i was, and slowly i started to relize girls like me when i was open and confident. now im strickly natural, use no lines ever and still cold approach. iv had so much of this practice i dont need MM and lines. some kids still do, some change, who gives a fuck? if your happy with what you have roll with it, mine changed and iv never been happier being me (me with a little more peacockin then i normally would haha)

mR.e

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Exactly! Try to give DiCarlo's book to shy, social retarded guy. He wouldn't understand it at all. He needs to understand the club SPAM, feel this dynamics, he needs to change his avatar, build up an interesting lifestyle and, the most important - he has to talk to girls! This is how we got our confidence. MM is the best for nerds to start with, that is the truth. But from my experience I know that when I used MM I got a feeling like this girl I slept with was not into me but into someone else who I pretend to be. But yes, I got laid using only MM & Style's Annihilation Method at the beginning of this year. But the reason I will always defend MM is my personal bond to it, because it gave me the confidence! It is all about confidence and you cannot achieve it the other way than just approach. MM is perfect to start with, then you find out your real stories, your own routines and so. I still like the old Cube routine, girls love it so I do it sometimes on the day 2, especially when I'm really stuck in a conversation, also the push&pull concept got my eyes wide open etc. - I think that every one should start with that but not to stick only to MM. MM works but natural game is the addictive one! This is the core of who you are and this is the one that you just need to awake, but the key is to understand social conditions that rule the clubs and the whole male-female interaction. MM gives the basis, it is really the foundation of your own pimp house.

In summary, MM really got me into the game, I would not be here and I would not be getting laid so much without it and I would not be searching for further studies in that subject. I surmounted my AA almost completely thanks to MM! And I built a crazy-as-hell lifestyle by taking the inspiration out of the MM.

And it is the truth, I don't use it anymore. But any newbie that asks me how do I pickup so many girls I tell him "Read the Game and ask me later".

Salut!
Surielx

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The reasons that someone gets laid cannot all come from a book, so many aspects apply such as the way you present the material, the pace you talk in, how you carry yourself, her mood, her situation, the environment, and of course in some ways your looks.
A method that comes from a book can help you with many things but it will never be the only reason you get laid.
Having said that I also want to say that I think that MM is one of the weaker methods out there, but from a business aspect it is one of the best considering how much money it has pulled in to the people behind it.
Also, I know I have said before that your looks don't matter, they do and they don't. You can make them not matter if you are good enough, let's put it that way

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And I'm saying IT WORKS, it's just OUTDATED ! It "sucks" like you say because it's been over 7+ year since he created it and not because it "sucks" !

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I forget who said it, so I can't directly quote, but I read this somewhere:

"Mystery Method really does work, for Mystery."

This is the verdict for the Mystery Method. For Mystery, and for some other people who have a similar social approach and lifestyle, the Mystery Method may very well work. But pick up, and socialization in general, is SUBJECTIVE; everybody sees it, does it, and approaches it from a slightly different angle.

For some, the Mystery Method will be a drastic improvement on your lifestyle and your sex life. For others, arguably most people, the Mystery Method will turn you into a robotic clown looking for promiscuous sex.

I personally have not seen success with the Mystery Method, but I will not go so far as to generalize that the Mystery Method has never worked for anyone and should be banned from pickup. It has its values and its fall backs. Take from it what you can, and move on to bigger and better things.

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