Guys, I was just kinda bored, and I came across a site called puahate.com. I decided I'd have a look at this post on Adam Lyons since I have always enjoyed reading his posts and material. They found like a lot of different things he had said where he contradicts himself. Like how he was ok with women before he read the game, and that he had a high paid job as a PR and that this was how he got into high-end clubs and got women to come in with him. Up until now I always thought this social circle game he taught sounded like it would work, but now I'm not so sure, because it seems he used his job and his money, and that a less well-paid guy couldn't pull this off.

It got me thinking about how much material and products I've read, yet I still don't have such great success with women, and how many of them are just bullshit scams. Yes I get a lot more girls than I used to, and yes I've had a few hot ones too, but I'm nowhere near becoming a "master PUA" as some of these guys say they are.

So the reason I wrote this post is because I don't have a lot of money right now, I just lost my job. I can't be spending money on a load of scamming PUA products that won't help me.

I want to know what products you guys think have actually helped you? What has actually gotten you laid? And please no keyboard jockeying bullshit, I want to know, and I'm sure most guys do, which ones actually get results?

As for me? Well I like The Natural Art of Seduction by Gambler because he has great advice on building rapport and connection with women, a lot of Badboy's stuff, Nick Quick and Epik are great for giving advice on sexual escalation, and I like David Deangelo's cocky funny stuff because thats taught me how to flirt with women properly.

lol puahate is gonna make everyone sound stupid, its just trolls.

and maybe thats how adam broke into the game?

and not what he really teaches?


everyone thats making money can still teach you something, but if its such an issue, don't buy anything from anyone.

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For me it's:

Style/Neil Struass(The Game, got me started)

Mystery(My Personal Idol in all this, learnt so much from his stuff, and still do, barely scratched the surface)

Tyler Durden(AMOGing in particular), one of my proudest moments was AMOGing a guy I'd consider better looking and more confident whilst I opened this girl on the street were I worked, felt awesome

Gambler

Sinn

Matador

Lovedrop


I haven't had a chance to look at Adam Lyons' stuff yet, but heard good things


Though I'm still really new, I understand the concepts and have had reletive success, not f-closed with it yet, or gone onto Day 2, but thats more because of me practising and waiting til I go on Holiday where I'm going full force with it

There are no "scam" PUA products.

What might be a "scam" to a person...well, let's look at the person.


If a proven system of success doesn't work for you, but it works for more than 3 random other people, the problem isn't the "scam"...it's you. You're just doing it wrong.

Take a step back. Where is the error: The techniques, or yourself? Is it yourself, or your unconscious?

There is no "scam" product, only "scam" mentality.

True, I just wonder who's for real and who isn't. I want to get good at this. Thats why I'm posting this on here rather than on there, I know guys on here will tell the truth.
There must be quite a few looking to make quick money. Or guys who think they can teach pick-up but really get girls through having a lot of money or being really good looking when really they don't know much about game. You know there are plenty of guys who like to pretend on here that they know what they're talking about, they give advice, yet they're not that great. They like everyone to think they're amazing with women when really they don't know shit.

Well, I can highly recommend "Sex God Method".

The shit is real. Plus, it's super easy to cancel the membership billing at any time, so it's not one of those scams where they "forget" to take you off the billing list.

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Mystery, Tyler durden and 60 years of challenge.
Hands down the best.
I dont get why people pay for books and dvds, everything is free online...

You dwell on a lot of negative.

...perhaps that is why the "scam" techniques arent working for you?

There are actually quite a few guys in the community who are "frauds." Some of the guys who claim to be able to teach you how to get laid, can hardly get laid themselves.

However, among the hundreds of "Dating Coaches" now available to take your money, a few stand above the rest. The following guys are LEGIT.

NOTE: Just because I dont list someone doesn't mean hes not legit. However, the guys I'm about to list are very talented and some of the best of the commercial puas. You cant go wrong learning from these guys.

1) RSD crew. Specially Tim, Alex, and Ozzie. I have had the pleasure to see all three of these guys infield more than once. Im not going to do any long reviews but I will say that Tim is the best commercial pua I have ever seen. Your reality will be shattered watching this guy

2) Vin DiCarlo. This guy is massively legit. I have seen both dicarlo and one of his instructors, Heartwork, infield...both very legit. DiCarlo is probably top 5 skill wise out of all the commercial puas.

3) Charming Rogue crew: Nick Quick (Adonis) and Epik. LEGIT. These guys specialize in same night lays. Also, no offense to Nick but he is living proof that looks dont matter.

4) Gunwitch......legit. Not much more to say.

5) 60yearsofchallenge. This guy gets credited for starting some new form of PU for some reason. Pretty much every guy I have listed above has always taught (specially Nick Quick) the same thing 60 teaches. Never seen infield but I keep hearing good things about him from people who have. He is legit.

6) Cory Skyy. Most people have probably never herd of this guy. He doesnt give weekly bootcamps and insted focuses on personal training. Legit

7) Race de Priest. Wanna learn online game? This is your guy. His cold approach skills arnt the best in the world but whatever, hes famous for hosting parties consisting of 30+ (alll hott) women that he pulled from myspace and facebook.

BTW, the 30+ is the number of women, not their ages.

Something interesting to note is that all the above guys have pretty much the exact same style. Many use different terms and lingo but their core concepts are basically the same.

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I have learned a lot from Neil Strauss, Gambler, Chief (this site), Hobbit, trixsta, and some others.

I have hardly learned a thing from Tyler Durden and RSD. Most of his stuff is too deep, complex, and up to interpretation for me to really easily apply it to my everyday life. It's like reading something in a foreign language. Game should be simple, especially when being taught.

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I think a lot of guys (myself included) start off with MM and go a bit too far the wrong side of acting fucking weird. That's why I really like Adam Lyons' stuff because he is a very normal guy and makes the excellent point that going sarging with a bunch of dudes wearing zany clothes and talking about game is quite strange and pretty lame. Another guy who I think is quite underrated but also just a very down to earth, normal person is Steve Mayeda (El Topo). He has a bunch of free stuff, from videos to blog posts, available online and he's worth checking out.

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It's not that I dwell a lot on the negative. I've had success with the things I've learned from guys I listed above, I'm just not amazing yet so I'm still learning. That post on PUAHate made me wonder who is legit and who isn't, so I wrote this post to find out which guys give the best advice and get the results, and which ones just seem to give out shitty advice.
I haven't checked all of these guys out, I'll have to have a look. Yeah I think Nick Quick and Epik give great advice, and most of it is for free, they're awesome. Gunwitch's stuff is good too. I've only just started reading 60's stuff and I like it, even though I agree he teaches things that loads of other people teach anyway, and its very similar to Gunwitch Method.
Yeah those guys are cool. I've never read much of Tyler's stuff, he's weird.

Yeah I did that too. I started off with David DeAngelo's cocky funny stuff and did well with that since I seemed pretty normal, then as soon as I started to learn MM I started acting too fucking weird haha... I grew a big mohawk to use as peacocking and I wore stupid clothes cos I thought it would make me stand out, obviously I just ended up looking like a complete cock.

Yeah I've always liked Adam Lyons for that, though his method heavily relies on social proof and pre-selection, which as it said in the post I read on PUAHate he would have got the girls easily through his job and having quite a bit of money, so I'm wondering if it could work for someone without all that. Then again as KristallNachte everyone on that site is gonna try to make him sound bad, especially with him being known as number 1. I guess the only way to ever know is to try it out for myself.

I'll have to check out El Topo, I've heard of him but never had a look at any of his stuff.

mate you don't need to buy anything. This forum has everything you need and more. The only thing I would recommend if you're still having trouble is a bootcamp. Not necessarily with one of the very expensive ones like Adam Lyons, but there are heaps of great puas with cheap coaching. Or find someone on here who's posts you really like and pm them with questions. Most people on here are more than happy to help.

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I guess so. I've never had much money so couldn't really afford a bootcamp, and I haven't been able to find anyone nearby who are good coaches and cheaper. I just wonder whose methods work well, because there's a lot of conflicting advice and that can be confusing.