You get her number the same way you get a number from any girl you are trying to pick up I would assume. This is what I've heard at any rate. I don't personally go after other guy's gfs unless I think I've got a better connection with her, or that he's scum. Unfortunately I haven't been informed on proper pick up long enough to have had any skill the last time I met a girl with a guy like that. I know you can find a lot of info on the subject if you use the search function and look for "boyfriend".

REMEMBER TO SEARCH FOR THINGS BEFORE ASKING.

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hey Rye i just wanted to say thanks for replying to pretty much all of my posts and giving me good advice.

but i have one GNARLEY situation with one HB8 and it would be a long post, just to let you know i'll post it in the newbie questions with your name on it.

thanks

theO

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Vic Vega

Hey cool thread man.

I'm new to this site and I basically have come here to learn to be a better person because I want to improve my social interactions with people, especially the opposite sex.

So i wanted to ask you what are good ways to keep a conversation going when you meet a new woman? What if you run out of things to say, is it all right to stay quiet for a while or will I bore her? I'm asking this because I go to college and there is a girl who sits next to me in class, she always tries to talk to me. Like she will ask me questions about the material we covered in class and I will tell her and then I just stay quit after that.

So what I'm basically asking you is, How should I start talking to her? Do I need any openers or anything? Also, what are some good things to talk about?

Thanks for the reply man.

Openers are used for situations where you are meeting a person for the first time generally (although it can also be used for people you only know in passing and want to start an engaging conversation and get to know better). Seeing as you already have a bit of a relationship with her, no need to do much of an opener (technically every conversation you start needs an opener, which is why I say you don't need much).

If you never have anything to say to her aside from answering her questions, then you're boring her. You need to learn to be interesting. I know you know all sorts of interesting things, because every single person does, its just a matter of making those interesting things come to the surface and accessing them whenever you want. I'm constantly thinking about random stuff, because I get bored just sitting around and I think a lot of people do to, so I like to comment on random thoughts I have and pull people into my world. I'll start off on something simple and then 5 minutes later I'll be linking together the ridiculousness of people for making nickles twice the size of dimes even though they are worth half as much and a couple theories on existentialism. Philosophy is a key tool of a good PUA in my opinion and it doesn't really matter what you philosophize about, because you just want to be entertaining and interesting and half the time sounding like you are totally off your rocker, but you get right into the ridiculousness of it, is more entertaining and will make people want to talk more about it, than if you started talking about Bush and the war on terrorism (shudder).

Mention some quirk that you noticed your teacher has and then start to analyse it with her and then you can neg her by pointing out some quirk she has, but make sure to throw in a positive side to it, to make it a neg, otherwise you're just insulting her.

A good way to get her to hang out with you after class, would be to start talking about something interesting or something that is really deeply crazy like I just gave an example of and after you start to get into it (make sure you show some excitement, and be exciting, but if you get too excited, then it is a turn off. I usually tell my most ridiculous theories and go on crazy rants while being mostly straight faced and just explain my views on the subject and then every once in a while, when its a appropriate, I will give a knowing smile that says "hehehe, I got you good there didn't I?") and then when you are starting to pull her in, you stop, lean back a bit and say, "maybe we should continue this later, this really isn't the time in the middle of class" and hand her a scrap of paper and a pen.

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Man, that is some really good advice. Thank you so very much, you have given me a lot of ideas.

No prob! Feel free to ask any good questions you have.

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OK Rye Lee, here's one.

Single HB 8.5-10's with a kid.....pickup or no?

I automatically lower her value when I discover this. But... it is possible to make a good connection. I'd say (my opinion) 50% of these girls are really cool, but just made a mistake. The other 50% are irresponsible, izzos, trashy, etc... I know, I know, talk to her, find out what she's like and base it on her personality. I just have trouble getting over the whole "not my kid, not my problem" thing goin on in my head.

In the past I always eject...but wonder if I missed out.

Its really a personal preference. I like kids and hanging out with them, but I'm not ready to be even an occassional dad, just when I'm hanging around. Maybe in a few years it won't be an issue, because I'll be ready to deal with kids, but I'm still too young and don't want to have to look out for someone that I can't walk away from for a couple hours without them hurting themselves.

If you don't mind helping the girl with a bit of parenting (because otherwise, she won't have any time for you, or you will make her be one of those trashy irresponsible moms), then I'd attract her like usual, maybe with a bit more class if you are used to acting all "gangster" and emphasise on the comfort, because she's going to be driven more by her parenting hardwiring and looking for a mate that will be there for her and is reliable, than for a guy with the best dna to contribute. You still need to attract her, so don't just try to be a nice guy and hope that will work, cause then you get to be a friend that likes to help her raise her kid, for no sex. Just think about it in terms oh reproduction and evolutionary biology though and realise that when a girl has no kids, she is looking for the most Alpha, powerful, in charge, highest status guy, so that her offspring get good genes (these men don't always make good parents and leave afterwards, so they can impregnate more women and spread their genes more), after that if the guy leaves, or is a crappy father, she will search for a more stable mate that can increase the odds of her offspring surviving and thriving in life, due to money, power, parenting skills, reliability.

So just keep in mind what type of girls you are interested in attracting, and exhibit signs of whatever a girl in that stage of her reproductive cycle (that includes child raising as well) is interested in for a mate. In more terms that PUAs might be more comfortable with, Alpha males get women that haven't had babies and Beta males typically have higher success rates with women that already have babies (unless her evolutionary imperative is broken, in which case her kids tend to end up poor [insert race here] trash).

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~ Rye

Dear Rye Lee...

I've got a few questions.

I'm new to the PUA scene and have only begun dating around this time last year. I have very very little experience. A date is coming up with a girl who I feel is attracted enough to me to go ahead for a kiss close...but I've only kissed a girl twice in my life. Same girl, both kisses were sorta akward even though she expected them. Not much training. How do I escelate without AFCing this up? What's a good guide to kissing?

Also, same girl...I'm seeking opinions on something that happened during our first date. We were in a cafe and sitting right underneath a AC vent. she looked cold, so I suggested we get up and find a new place to sit. She got up, and chose a small couch just big enough for two people. Good stuff right? After all, other seating was available that would have given her more space. But then after I sat down beside her she cross her legs and hung her arm over one of them. So I'm thinking now: this is negative body language. What would you make of this? Am I looking too much into it?

And finally, are there any good websites you can reccomend that can teach me how to dance? Or perhaps some videos I can download someplace?

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i have a question. There's a HB9.5 that I got to know a little bit cuz she messaged me on facebook (i'm in college). Oddly enough we had a lot in common and we chatted online for a bit, and I was a bit taken aback that a HB of this caliber would in PUA terms, "open a set" on me. However, when I approached her in person, I completely froze up and was a terrible AFC, mainly because she was looking way hot and it kinda weirded me out cuz she has a really nasally voice. I also didn't know any PUA stuff at the time. Is there anyway to re approach or something like that? Any good openers, negs or tips? Keep in mind this chick is one of the hottest at my school.

i posted this on newbie but no 1 answered it, its a little long but if you have time please read it

I'm in High School and there's this chick i like. She's shows soooo many IOI's but we have never had anything sexual or relationship wise. She considers me one of her best guy friends, and whenever she sees me she gives me a hug. the only issue is, she always tells me what guys she likes so its hard for me to try and go for her when i know she likes someone else. Anyways right now she hasnt really said who she likes recently so what should i do to get things going with her? When im with her im pretty comfortable but i have a hard time opening up

thanks much,
fierce

Are you confusing IOIs with her just being your friend? Once you are in the LJBF zone, it is very very hard to get out usually. I have had friends that I thought were interested and I'm sure if I had moved at an early enough time, that I could have gotten them interested, but once they become your good friend, usually what you think are IOIs are really not in my experience.

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I'd say that unless you have made a lot of progress, that you should give it some time and maybe re-approach once you have enough experience to think on your feet better, because if you crash and burn again, then you are done for, but waiting longer probably won't do much damage. I would probably just ask her how she's been for an opener and then make yoruself interesting from there. Maybe toss in a neg along the lines of, "I was pretty intimidated the first time we met..." trail off a bit and wait a second so she thinks you are going to compliment her on how hot she is, then, "but then I grew to like your voice and figured I should give you another chance. " This keeps you seeming like the prize and gives her something to be self conscious about, to lessen anything that you might have came off bad with, but you still complimented her in the subtext and so it isn't an insult.

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~ Rye

Ok, I recommend you start by reading the suggested beginner books that you can find by searching "books" and that will give you a lot more help with your game than I can give you with a couple posts.

Kissing isn't something I really know how to explain, other than what the first girl that taught me how to kiss said, "Keep your lips firm, but soft." Its almost like pouting, but without turning your lips downward, I guess is the best way I can describe it. There are books out there on the subject, lots of them and at the top of the page there is even a link to a site that teaches how to kiss well. There's also nothing wrong with letting a girl know that you haven't kissed a lot of girls and she will tell you how to do it better hopefully (just remember to sound confident even though you are saying that), same goes for sex. Everyone has to start somewhere and who cares if you don't come off as the world's greatest lover right off the bat? You need to learn the basics, then you will do better next time. I recommend giving Mystery's kiss close routine a try for this, although if she answers with any kind of maybe, then just give your best attempt at a kiss, do what comes natural and don't stick your tongue into her mouth the first kiss at the very least. If she says, "yes" then, give a little smile, gently run your fingers down the side of her face in a 'C' shape and say, "Just to warn you, I'm a little inexperienced" and then kiss her. This lets her know that she is going to have to guide you a bit, but still comes off attractively.

As for the legs crossing; depending on what she was wearing, whether she crossed her legs towards you, in between you, or away from you, and whether by putting her arm on her leg it was turning her back towards you, it could be interepreted several ways. If she turned her body towards you and not away, then it is a good thing. If her arm was between you and her, then it is a bad thing. If her legs were crossed towards you, but weren't in between you, then its good, or if they are crossed away, but her upper body is closer to you because of it, it can be good. Basically, keep in mind whether a girl is putting more distance between you and her, and whether she is angled more directly towards you or not. Closer and more direct are good, distance and angled away are bad. That simple formula will work in almost any physical scenario.

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~ Rye

Hey, thanks for the response!

I've read most of the beginners books. The Game, Mystery Method, and most of The Art of Seduction. I've also read dozens and dozens of articles off of Bristol's Lair and SoSuave. The escalation concern was just concerning the kissing. I'm getting the hang of everything else.

And based on what you said about body language, I'd say she was demonstrating very good body language indeed .

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