I'm sure you've seen Warped Mindless's 2 threads on bashing MM. I'm sure you've also noticed how much of a space monkey (RSD fanboy) he is. I'm also sure that his blatantly RSD-brainwashed cult-like attitude and inability to spell "escalate" has put you off. Stop posting in those threads. Post in this one if you're not gonna be a dogmatic fuck. If you're not going to speak from your own experience, go away. I don't want quotes from that book or that book.
What I'd like to do is to open a constructive dialogue on the real reasons MM is bad without all the dogmatic nonsense from any fanboys from either side of the debate. Then I would like to discuss practical and useful alternatives to what MM has to offer without that bullshit elitist indirect advertising for RSD. Warped Mindless has attempted to open such a dialogue by comparing MM to RSD on a shallow level but doesn't actually seem to speak with his own words. I will speak from personal experience of practicing MM and coaching pickup students.
First of all, what experience do I have with MM and other pickup material? I've spent the past 7 years of my life learning and practicing almost everything that the seduction community has to offer. I have a very solid basis of understanding of the various different kind of methods that are out there. I also know how certain methods are advantageous over certain other methods for different situations.
Let's get something else out of the way before I start my MM-bashing:
The Good Things About MM
Microcalibration
Although I argue that social value has less to do with "attraction" and more to do with "comfort," (check out my thread "Sexual Attraction Explained In-depth" in the Mid-Game section) it is important to calibrate yourself in different situations so that you actually preserve the value that you "naturally" have. Newbies who give MM an initial read-through won't have a very good idea of what Microcalibration actually is, but the more practiced student will have a good hang of it. It's a pretty useful - although not strictly necessary - skill that helps you keep riding the social wave without wiping out.
Bounce/Extraction Logistics
The most invaluable thing I took away from MM are the logistics for actually moving the girl to different locations. Although MM didn't stress the importance of logistics nearly as much as it should have, it did lay a decent groundwork for pulling logistics. I still use the "plausible deniability" thing to pull the girl to my "seduction location." lol
Group Theory
Although other methods have better ways of handling sets with multiple people, MM does offer something for this. Even though your average MM student won't really know what to do once he has isolated a girl (compared to someone who has studied GWM and Vin DiCarlo, for example), he does have a fairly decent idea of what to do to in order to get to that isolation phase if the girl has friends and orbiters with her.
So, MM does indeed have its merits. However, the cons far outweigh the pros.
The Bad Things About MM
MM stands for Mental Masturbation
Of all the methods in the seduction community, it seems to me that MM encourages mental masturbation THE MOST. If you're not actually stuck in the mental masturbation trap of MM, but you have been before, you know what I'm talking about. I don't need to explain this one to you. If you are a newbie who has found this site right after reading "The Game," however, this one's for you.
Mental masturbation is bad because it creates a comfort zone inside your own head and keeps you from taking action in the physical world. One of the many downsides to MM's analytical nature is that it gives your ego far too many opportunities to rationalize things for the purposes of protection and value-preservation. This actually hinders your progress since you're preventing yourself from calling it like it is. The mental masturbation encouraged by MM will actually create sticking points for you and will force you to dedicate way too much time into this shit than you should. I actually wasted a few YEARS with MM, and I feel like I threw those years away in terms of learning pickup. We can discuss this point further but for now I'm going to move on.
MM's assumptions about attraction
MM assumes that the higher your "value," the higher the attraction. If you've seen this to be true from other experiences that you've had, trust me when I say that
correlation does not equal causation. We all learned that one in school. Social value and attraction are related, but you're wasting your time if you're trying to get laid with a DHV story. Other methods have found ways of creating attraction and pushing a seduction forward a hundred times better than what MM could ever offer. Check out that Sexual Attraction thread that I mentioned earlier. Your penis will thank you.
Group Theory
I know I listed this one as a good thing initially but MM puts way too much emphasis on "running sets" and social domination techniques that don't even work out for you in the greatest way in the long run, and not enough emphasis on actually seducing a girl. Sure, you've got Lovedrop teaching pointers on kino escalation here and there, but most other methods have that shit down so much better. Sure, some methods like SS barely have an emphasis on kino escalation at all, but MM is in a pretty low tier when it comes to that, believe it or not. "Would you like to kiss me?" I mean, come on. Really?
Verbal Game
MM is one of the older methods, so I guess it wouldn't be too fair to criticize MM for having such a strong emphasis on verbal game since it's pretty damn close to the era when SS reigned supreme. That still doesn't change the fact that newbies today are using old technology and that they should upgrade. I think MM does teach that it matters more on HOW you say something rather than WHAT you actually say, but it still encourages people to think that WHAT they actually say (routines and DHV stories, for example) is more important than it actually is. David Deangelo already informed us a long time ago that words only make up 7% of communication, but Mystery still told you that you have to indirectly telling girls that you're a preselected protector of loved ones with a story about a stripper ex-girlfriend you've never had.
Dishonesty
It's no secret that MM encourages dishonesty. I don't think I even have to explain how. Unfortunately for the average MM student, consistent HONESTY is one of the most powerful seduction tools you can ever use. Those of us who have been practicing seduction for a long time have already figured this out. And, no, this isn't one of those "direct game vs. indirect game" arguments. You don't have to lie and/or hide behind half-truths to run any sort of game.
Hobbit, get your ass in here and join this discussion. I want to hear what you've got to say about this topic.
CHAT
