If I show interest to a guy and I dance with him and let him touch me and he won't buy me a drink afterwards, then I will find an excuse and leave him.

If he waits until the day I am his girlfriend to buy me a drink then I will never be his girlfriend.

I am mediterannean btw and not the party girl type.

If a girl expects me to buy her drinks that much, I'll find an excuse to leave her.

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It is not a matter of expectation.. It is a matter of trusting him.

I am not talking about him buying me drinks all night. I am talking about one. A tequila shot perhaps when we are already having fun together. I prefer to stay almost sober anyway to make sure I have control of myself.

And ftr I won't ask for a drink neither show it with my behaviour.
I am talking about situations that we have already rapport. If not a drink won't change my mind.

About the average girl though there is an unwritten rule: you don't accept drinks from guys you don't fancy. You don't want to hurt anyone and you don't want a stalker.

Of course there are exceptions to this rule. Some girl perhaps that wants an ego boost... and is naive.

This sounds really stupid, and it's somehow a DLV on your part. You "let" him touch you, but you expect a drink in return? What does this tell us about you? It sure doesn't put you in a flattering light.

Let him touch you if you like it. If so, you don't need to have some kind of "compensation" for letting him touch you, the touch was what you wanted. Never put up with touch unless you like it. Stand back, ask him wtf he's doing, whatever. Dont be touched against your will, and don't expect anyone to pay you back for "letting" them touch you.

Thanking someone for letting me touch them is so, so, so far from what I would do. I expect them to like it or tell me not to do it. I do it for me and I do it for them. None of us need to pay the other for it, we do it because we like it. It's a mutual thing.

I'll buy you a drink when you buy me one. Period.

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Honestly, I agree with TrueFlame on buying a drink part. We make the rules so we can later break them.

An AFC offers to buy a girl a drink, and he's seen as weak.

An alpha male talks with her a while, thinks he's thirsty, and says, "I'm gonna go grab a drink... oh, would you like one?"

Everything is about the frame you do it with.

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I think there is a mixing of frames here. There's a big difference between buying a girl a drink when you're running full attraction game and it's part of some kind of shit test, and buying her a drink when you two are sitting at a table, chatting for hours, enjoying eachother and just casually want something to drink.
It's like a coffee-date: You don't want to take her out to dinner (supplicating), but just buying her one coffee is just showing her you're not a social moron.


A question about the topicstart: You tell about increased mating when people are left in the dark. Ofcourse we notice this in clubs (happens often) versus daytime (never happens). I was wondering: Do you/you guys ever notice increased PU-results in winter?
I mean, a date at 8PM is at light in the summer, but in the winter it's just dark outside. Does it affect the results?

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Agreed. A girl should have no expectations for your company. I do not ever plan on hanging with someone who expects something from outside of good company. I am not necessarily against buying drinks, however expectations are absolutely ludicrous and show the true colors of a person.

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[quote="Mungo"]This sounds really stupid, and it's somehow a DLV on your part. You "let" him touch you, but you expect a drink in return? What does this tell us about you? It sure doesn't put you in a flattering light.

Let him touch you if you like it. If so, you don't need to have some kind of "compensation" for letting him touch you, the touch was what you wanted. Never put up with touch unless you like it. Stand back, ask him wtf he's doing, whatever. Dont be touched against your will, and don't expect anyone to pay you back for "letting" them touch you.

Thanking someone for letting me touch them is so, so, so far from what I would do. I expect them to like it or tell me not to do it. I do it for me and I do it for them. None of us need to pay the other for it, we do it because we like it. It's a mutual thing.

I'll buy you a drink when you buy me one. Period.[/quote]

That was the way I grew up and the things they told me that they were the right. All girls from my country behave like this.

Lots of the PUA stuff don't work that much on mediterannean girls. And the reason is that we learned to think and behave this way. And all guys will buy you a drink or else they show you that they are not interested.

I see your point here and what you say. The intension though is not to take advantage of the guy. It is to check if he is interested into something further than just a one night stand. A sort of defence from our part.

You guys are being pretty harsh on a_girl, when she's just being reasonable.

It's kind of like saying, "Is there a problem, officer?" when you get pulled over. Sure, you don't have to do it, but doing it shows that you aren't some sort of psychopath. Just in the same way, buying a girl a drink shows her that you aren't some jerk who's just going to use her and possibly abuse her.

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You are right.

Geez man, I'm not sure that it shows that. We've all seen guys buy a girl a drink and be a total psycho stalking her all night.

I personally do buy girls drinks, my only point was, if it seems that she expects me to buy her one I won't, 3 billion other women on the planet for me to talk to.

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Ok, I get that this may be a cultural matter. It's not that much expected in Sweden, where I live, even though many girls do reason the way that you do.

However, is it so bad that I would be frown upon for not buying drinks where you live? Otherwise, not doing what every other guy does should not be a big problem..

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Agree.

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'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

In Australia we buy everyone drinks..

Relax, buying a girl a drink usually means nothing more than "hey, i like you and i'm not cheap lets have more fun!"

If a girl asks for it, demands it or you do it in an attempt to "buy" her interest.. then Don't.. It's going to make you look AFC

You need to take the situation at hand. It's pretty easy to determine weather or not buying a drink will make you look AFC or Alpha.. just use your brain.

Honestly, I would do it if i was getting myself one... i choose to be giving, I buy my friends a "round" it's just a decent thing to do.. Like offering someone your talking with a cigarette if you are about to light one up.

Being cheap isn't a label which just peels off.. be careful..

If she asks you to buy a drink her a drink, just take out a coin and flip it and just make up whatever answer suits you at the time