Let me save you the trouble of needless fluff talk by telling you how this thread is going to turn out.

Question: To lie or not to lie?

rAFC: Yes, lie!

PUA: Why?

rAFC: I need to lie because I don't have my own DHV stories.

PUA: Why do you need DHV stories?

rAFC: Mystery said I needed them.

PUA: Why do YOU need DHV stories?

rAFC: So I can create attraction.

PUA: How do DHV stories create attraction?

rAFC: The more social value I'm perceived to have, the more my target will want me.

PUA: You don't need to lie for women to want you.

rAFC: YOU don't need to lie because you have tight game, but I do!

PUA: You're only thinking that because you don't believe that women will not like you for who you are now.

rAFC: Of course they won't!

PUA: Yes, they will.

rAFC: I've been a "nice guy" for my entire life and I've never had any success with dating!

PUA: Were you really that "nice guy," or were you trying to manipulate women's behavior by trying to get them to like you? Were you genuinely "nice," or were you PRETENDING aka LYING?

rAFC: Holy shit, I guess I've been lying to women this entire time and it just hasn't been working!

PUA: Have you ever tried being HONEST about your sexual feelings to women?

rAFC: No... I've always been too afraid to show how I really felt because I was afraid of getting rejected... but... I've confessed my feelings to a girl before and I've gotten rejected! Honesty can't work!

PUA: Were you really honest with that girl from the start?

rAFC: No, you're right. I was hiding my true feelings from her at first. I can't just tell a girl that I find her sexually attractive from the start, though!

PUA: Why not?

rAFC: I'll get slapped! Her boyfriend will come out of nowhere and kill me! I'll trigger her ASD because I telegraphed too much interest!

PUA: Do you know this from personal experience, or are these just hypothetical fears?

rAFC: I've never gotten slapped and I've never gotten any trouble from boyfriends before, but I've tried a little bit of Direct Game before and she definitely didn't jump on my dick.

PUA: Why do you think that happened that way?

rAFC: It's because I'm unattractive by looks, personality, or both. I don't REALLY know why. Women just don't want to have sex with me. They are repulsed by my sexual advances.

PUA: You admit to not really knowing WHY (which is also why you're trying to learn pickup - to learn why), but at the same time you seem so sure that the reason is that you're just unattractive. Do you see how that doesn't make sense?

rAFC: Then tell me why! Why didn't those girls from my past reciprocate my sexual interest?

PUA: The core of the reason is that you are scared. Women don't want boys. They want men. Boys are scared, but men are not afraid of being true to themselves, and men who are true to themselves are honest men. Men understand that not everyone will like them, and that's OK. They don't try to win everybody over by lying. They aren't afraid of such menial things.

rAFC: So you're saying that the only reason someone would lie when trying to seduce a girl is that they're scared of putting their true selves on the line?

PUA: Yes, and that liar is scared of putting their true self on the line because... he is insecure. He thinks that even one rejection of his presentation of his true self will mean that he is worthless.

rAFC: So how can a scared boy become a fearless man?

PUA: Of course, every man was a boy at one point. A person gets over a fear by doing what they fear... despite the fear. It's like getting on a roller coaster for the first time. You don't know what it's going to be like, so you're scared before you get into the roller coaster car. After the ride, however, you realize that there's really nothing to be scared of. And the fear stops haunting you.

rAFC: But... I KNOW that there's nothing to be scared of when it comes to approaching women and talking to strangers... but I'm still scared! I still have Approach Anxiety!

PUA: That's only because you haven't experienced this realization personally. You can't read a fear away. Even if your friend tells you that roller coasters are completely safe before you ride one, you won't feel so good about it until you've done it enough times yourself.

rAFC: So I just need to DO IT more?

PUA: Yes.

rAFC: And then I can DHV by just telling the truth of who I am!

PUA: Yes, but it's not even worth it to think of DHVing. What you really want to focus on is creating and escalating sexual tension. Value comes second to sexual tension, and they are two completely different things.

rAFC: Does that mean I don't ever have to memorize or use any DHV stories? I can go straight to the sexual tension stuff?

PUA: Yes, and you'll be honest the entire way through with faster results than trying to lie your way through this journey.

Grow a pair ?? seriously ? it takes more balls 2 lie then it does the truth ....... truth could only get you rejected but lie's get you caught ....... you can right 10 fucking essays explaining about telling the truth and how you get your rewards but the basic fact is lie's get you further and quicker ...... all you need is balls to say it ..... your the coward .... you wont lie .... not because there's something wrong with it ..... its because u'll be shit scared of getting caught ..... don't give me BS on PUA's ........ i bet you all pua's lie at som point ...... mystery himself said it ...... fake it till you make it ..... you wanna know something ? your actions dont mean shit ...... its results/consequences that matter ...... you try liein to someone .... its alot harder then you might think .....

I lied twice.

1. The night I lost my virginity I told her I had plenty of experience with an ex. I had no experience and I was tipsy, it was horrible, she knew I was still packing the V card but she didn't mind. I just felt a fool.

2. I lied to my first girlfriend. I told her I was a virgin (I'd slept with 4 at this stage) and I know she still feels special thinking that she was my first.

I wouldn't recommend lying to anybody. It made me feel foolish and like a total jerk. I've learned my lesson. I'll not lie about that stuff again.
I might however tell half truths about the number of chicks I've been with: "I've slept with five girls... [mutter this next bit incoherently] named Sarah" or something similar.

- Bandit

it is better to be a lion for a day than a sheep all your life

nate2000 wtf are you talking about ........ this aint poetry you prik .... if you disagree with me then tell me why ..... don't come out of no where spraying verbal diarrhoea .... if you got something useful to share then go ahead say it ...... don't behave like a waste man ....... go read shakespear or something ......