Lets first start out with this fact:

MM is a rigid, linear method

MM is broken down into
-Attraction
- A1, A2, A3
-Comfort
-C1, C2, C3
-Seduction
-S1, S2, S3

This is all very rigid and linear...so whats the problem with that?

The problem is, when following a very rigid and linear method you often times crew yourself over. For instance, the chick could very well be ready to go home with you yet you keep gaming because you haven't been thru the entire method yet. This is actually a quite common problem and is something most people call "over-gaming."

DHV stories
The big problem with DHV stories is that by telling them, your actually lowering your value. High value guys dont go around trying to prove how high value they are, its needy and approval seeking.

A quote from Alexander~

"DHV’s is like showing a girl your Ferrari Key chain – no good because your saying to the girl that guy hiding behind the key chain isn’t enough. If you’re a cool guy the girls will know automatically, if you’re not cool they will know just as quickly. "

Telling a DHV story is trying to prove to the girl your worthy of her time. In reality, you should be seeing if shes worth YOUR time.

The need to raise your value
DHV stories to raise your value, negs to lower hers...ect.

MM basically has you assume that the girl is better than you, why else would you need to raise your value? This basically puts the women on a pedestal, and we all know thats bad because that makes her out to be the prize.

looking for IOIs
Not only does this make you reaction seeking (bad) this also causes you to be in your head. When your in your head you wont be fully present in the moment and be able to be spontaneous. Instead, just assume attraction.

Being indirect
A women wants a man whos not afraid to communicate what he wants! Pussy actions such as indirect openers arnt attractive at all. Its basically saying to the girl, "im to afraid to come up and tell you exactly what i think, and what I think is that your fucking sexy." Also, opinion openers suck because it make sit seem like you need an excuse to come up and talk to the woman. Your a fucking man with manly, sexual desires...thats excuse enough!

The belief you must do something to create attraction
You dont really have to do a darn thing to create attraction, except just be. Being, not doing. Being a naturally attractive (and im not talking about looks) who is having fun and is confident is enough. You dont have to do all the fancy tricks MM teaches you.

Escalation is way to slow
MM doesn't teach you to escalate fats enough. Guys, ESCALATION IS ATTRACTIVE! Thats right, having the balls to escalate at the beginning is extremely attractive. Also, you should escalate a lot faster than MM teaches you.

These are just a FEW of the reasons MM is bad for you. I can go on and on...

The point is, there are now much better and faster ways to become an attractive guy who sleeps with a ton of women.

To quote Jeffy from RSD:

"I mean, sure, you can get success with [mystery method], but the new way[natural game] is superior, easier to learn, and is generally HEALTHIER for a person overall. The old way is not some "necessary phase" that everyone must go through, this is a logical fallacy. I WISH I could have avoided going through all of that and just started with the new style. Unfortunately, when you are a pioneer, you don't have the luxury of future technologies that will evolve from what's available currently. It took Tyler and myself YEARS to get good and bang x-hundred girls... it took Ryan, Brad and Alex MONTHS."




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I dont know about this...i defiantly am for the natural side, but i dont think you can just go ripping apart mysterys pick up style.

some methods might work better for others... this worked well for mystery didnt it? he is one of the MOST FAMOUS and SUCCESSFUL puas we know of? he has his own show for fucks sake. his method worked for him cause he was a socially awkward guy that wanted to get laid, you cant tell me there is not ONE on this forum...

Sure the way he does it isnt fun for you. In his books and videos it shows he loves theories. He is more than likely obsessed with his style, the way he can micromanage everyone in the place, and pick up a girl of his choosing using theories and equations he thought of.

sure its not "healthy"
if you dont like it, dont do it.

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dude i read ur first paragraph. n u try make MM users sound like retards. what u got against it so much?

if shes ready to go home with me. then i will fuckin take her home haha. not wait around coz i have to go through each linear step. ????? wtf mate

its all situational. u should know that

LOL just read your other thread.

creamy and ezo got it right saying some people need to build up confidence to talk to girls. have you never used a canned line? i have..and it fuckin worked, first try outa the blue. the girls were hooked.

i dont know how to quote....

WM-Lol. Your being pretty reactive but its okay, I can see your an ok dude with noble intentions.

i cant find your dumass quote about negative energy....i know i saw it.


these are both things mystery would probably say. REACTIVE? and negative energy lol comon man.


WM-Now, what have I done with my life? I'm not sure why your so interested but I have started a successful business (Dating Coach) and am working on both an acting and modeling career. The modeling is starting to take off.....my acting, not so much. I think I should invest in some acting classes, im not tot good at it.


now right there you basically dhved AND REACTED? and as you were writing it you knew in the back of your mind that you were going to show the guy who asked that you were a hero, above him. but to hide it a bit you said oh.. im not that good i could use lessons lmao shutup man.

now from all this reading about pu you've done as i can see from your 225 posts? you cant say that when your in the field you dont think shit through at least a little bit...patting yourself on the back for being non reactive in the right situations. generally being IN YOUR HEAD. which you say is a bad thing.

by the looks of it your more like mystery than a lot of us, from what i can see and judge from your writing.




but you just shat on mysteries book then i watched you eat it off you fuckin faggot. i hate people like you.

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If you have actually seen Mystery infield you would be surprised to see that he doesn't use his own method.

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Lol, you hate a guy because of a forum post? LMAO.....

Haters gonna hate.

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lol i will hate.
what book did you start out with?
THE GAME? the majority of people start out with this book.

main characters is MYSTERY and style, it must have been somewhat good?, and intriguing to get you here where you are right now.

have some loyalty, these two got more guys off their ass and gave them confidence and tools to start taking to talk to girls then you probably ever will.

im one.

but yeah who knows whats right. We only know what were told, see and read, and can we postive thats 100% accurate? maybe mystery is terrible with women? maybe is method is the worst one of all like your saying. who knows

i dono. sorrybro

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Man... Is this the only opinion you have?

Of course Mystery doesnt use his own method, thats for rookies.

The problem with people is that when they reach a new level of skill in any area they immediately regard their previous methods as useless. The Mystery method fills a function, it is not a perfect pickup method, not even close, it has a lot of flaws and shit.

But if you are good enough you can avoid those pitfalls and get along just fine. Or you just stop using it.

However, it is better than nothing. It is a good way to get started. You dont use your first class mathsbook when doing a complicated calculation but it works perfectly fine for first graders.

A lot of people have a lot of fears, weaknesses and other stuff that the MM helps them get around until they are strong enough to get by on their own. As I said before, it is a method that you are meant to leave.

I know that you like to say that it gives the PUA the mindset that the girl has the value and you dont. Thats true if you are a mindless loser. If you have the least little piece of intelligence in your head you understand that this is not the case. In any case, many guys believe that their value is lower than everybody else in the world anyway. So the method tells them, yeah, you believe that your value isnt high enough, here is how you get around that. Then, they start getting experience and get a higher opinion of themselves, thats when the real game starts.

Should we then flame them for not being strong enough, for having a bad self confidence? To feel generally bad about themselves, to blast the method that actually helps them? No, of course not, we should help them in any way we can.

So dude, you gotta realize that what helped you isnt necessarily the only way.

I talked to a natural the other day and I quote "There are no rules, you just gotta be horny." Yes Of course a natural would say that, he is already doing what works. He doesnt need rules to do what he already does. If I dont like money there is no need for me to have a law against stealing.

Chief has a way with non value based game. That is one way to go. But thats because he doesnt have any problems with believing that his value could possibly be lower than other people.

I have a method where I dont care about AA and caring too much, but I get away with that because I dont have AA and I care too little if Im not careful.

You have a thing against the MM because the problems that it is directed at hasnt been problems for you.

We gotta realize that people are different, we all have our own sticking points. We set out on this journey to better ourselves and in the eng we are basically doing the same thing, it is just that we walk different paths to reach our goal.

So basically, some people get something out of using the MM... Let them... Please...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Still... I kinda agree with you on some points...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

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You have good points, but only if you use MM the WRONG way.

IMHO, MM is more a training method for AFCs to have a step by step method. Even Mystery himself don't use his own method.

After you get used to getting laid consistently with MM the way to progress is to use a naturalized MM, which means something like have the techniques in your head ready to use but use it with unconscious competence, which means you don't think about game anymore, you just do it naturally.

IMHO, natural game doesn't even exist as it's taught in the community. You're either a natural (you pick up women without thinking about it) or you aren't. Simple as that.

Also, it's way better if you use the models evolved from MM, like: Mehow model (check out the 10 second sexual attraction), Sinn and others MM-influenced, because Mystery is really very closed minded, and you can't use his method by the book.

My 2 cents.

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your first thread about mm was good, but this thread is a little too much.

It seems like you're trying to indoctrinate people into natural game rather than stimulating them.

Ofcourse there are different methods, and some work better than others, but it doesn't mean they don't work AT ALL. also you have to take into account different personalities, what works for someone might not work at all for someone else.

After all, self-help is there to stimulate initiative not force something on someone.

hahahah wtfs with that pic

ur like 12 if thats u.

u lost all respect after that pic

Apart from the fact that your post is pretty aggresive and it lookes like you're full of frustrations, evilvalle, you just said everything I always wanted to say to guys who shit on MM and Style. You're right. Thank you.

No one should ever shit on Mystery and Style because without them, this community and forum wouldn't exist, and obviously those guys have fucked more girls than most of the people here in the world.

I even believe that many of those succesfull naturals are even unconsiously following MM. They also disqualify, push-pull, are cocky funny and shit, they just don't know it.

To all who doubt MM, just read Style's "Rules of the Game", and you will see that it isn't as bad and robotic as most naturals or RSD guys think.

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Haha yeah, the aggressive part is just to get that RSD fanboy super reactive so I can call him out on his "unreactive" bullshit.

What I wouldnt agree with, is that alot of naturals is unconsiously following MM or something, thats not really the case. You can see similarities in some of them, but some are just using waay other styles.

The key to being successfull at this is your vibe and your "aura", your confidence and your entitlement, once u have that shit down, you are gold. You will notice girls checking you out all the fucking time, even if u aint looking good that day, just because of the vibe you are projecting.

MM is a good practical way to get good at this, if you dont become an overanalysing little forum bitch trashtalking and comparing "methods", that is.

Get your shit, your routines and get out there, do it for 2 years, after 2 years you will be extremely good.