Here's a two for one, answer one or the other, or both

Texting has always been where my game goes to die, but today, I was talking to a friend of mine that I hadn't seen or talked to in a while. She and I go back 3 years when she was a freshman and I was a junior in high school. She liked me at that point cause I SEEMED confident. Then I didn't make a move and was clingy as hell and eventually told her I would have to ignore her when she got a new bf since it hurt too much since I liked her too much...

I was BEYOND an AFC.

But by the end of junior year, up until now I've gotten so damn confident I went from that poor, never-kissed-a-girl dude to a dude at a count of upwards of 20 girls I've madeout with or more (so me and my friends started a scoreboard...it's college...fuckin sue me)

but my game is still only a 50/50 to a 60/40 success rate

So I talked to her a week ago saying if she wanted to see me she has to get a hold of ME, then today I was texting her, and I start the conversation with:

Me: So i guess we're never hanging out
Her: when are you going back to college?
Me: 18th
Her: ahh thats alotta time! i have a 4 day weekend so i better see you at somepoint [her basically seeing i need to work for her is how i interpreted that...right?]
Me: well ya never texted me...thought you were better than that :p
Her: hey i'm a popular girl, always in demand
Me: that's too bad, i'm a busy guy, if you wanna see me i don't really have time to be the one making plans...just sayin'
Her: lol that was sarcasm, no one loves me...but i will text you this weekend!
Me: i'll believe it when i see it

that was it

i feel like her last message showed me kinda breaking her down from her playfulness and confidence in the fact that she once had me eating out the palm of her hand...and that now i controlled the conversation

...or am i wrong and i actually did nothing there?

and if i DO hang out with her, she's friends with some of my friends, we have all that history, and i don't know if normal techniques could get her turned on to me in one night at this point

any thoughts would be appreciated, sorry this was so long

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Looks pretty good to me. Just maybe ease up a bit on the text. I don't think it's good to be too abusive, just tease her a bit. Btw do you go to a UC? Cause I start on the 18th too. Just wondering haha.

nah man...drexel over in philly

and thanks, i occasionally do get too abusive to the point of just being a dick

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So you initiate a text to try and hang out with her? then you act obnoxious as fucck.. from my own perspective if someone isn't texting you back your not very high up on their care factor scale. - think about it .. we put effort into those in which we are interested in at that time

If I had a girl text something like that to me it would push me further away.. best case scenario is i would "for ol' times sake" hang out with them but i wouldn't enjoy it.

The whole conversation just comes across like you've been waiting around for her and are pissed cos she's not interested.

you gotta make her want you dude.. Call her, arrange something fun to do.. if you've known her for 3 years should be NO problem to catch up..


To answer your question, you didn't break down anything.. you just insulted her and acted arrogant.

dude, I get what you're saying about all of this. I guess I was trying to incorporate making her qualify herself, but just went to far. Also, I tried negging AND as a beginner in the community, failed and seemed like a dick. As I've read, text game needs emoticons. If I had added some more to show sarcasm or teasing, as everything that was supposed to be light teasing came across as being a dick...

BUT, one reason she probably hasn't texted me is because I rarely text her. Then when I do, she responds how much she misses me and wants to see me so I finally just got sick of asking when she's free and having her end up with last minute plans, that I said when SHE wants to see me, she should make plans. This text was really just sent, not because I'm waiting around, and I figure she realized too that since she is back in high school and I'm leaving in 8 days, that I was wondering if we were ever gonna hang out....and it does make me look needy....and you're absolutely right...

fuck...


...

now if she DOES choose to not completely deny my ass and never text me, thoughts on some of the lines and such I'm canning?

along with whatever flows naturally since I haven't seen her in a while and DO wanna catch...but also show her I'm not that same nice, safe, friend-zone guy

we go to cross the street somewhere and she's younger than me so I'll just be like: "oh no young'n, I'm gonna have to hold your hand while we cross the street here."
after we cross
"well that was nice too bad your palms were so sweaty..." [NEG]

and then I'll continue with negs and such

and one push-pull line I really wanna use is: "you always had a beautiful smile, probably the best I've seen.....actually, wait....maybe like top 20...."

and finally to try to kiss-close I'll play on the fact that we're such good friends:

"so now that I'm leaving this is where I would usually get a goodnight kiss, but of course, as much as I know you want it, I just can't risk our friendship.....but I guess I could demonstrate what I WOULD do..." then I lean in "and then you would come the rest of the way" and when (if) she does I pull back "I said I was just demonstrating....you were seriously going for it there...."

then fuck it, I like this girl a lot so I'd kiss her

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Unless a girl is REALLLLLYYYY into you, she isn't going to pick the day you hang out, most girls just aren't that creative .

But dude, she said she has a 4 day weekend. Man the fuck up and pick a day that works for you. Don't ask her either, tell you're free on whichever of those 4 days you're free on and tell her that you two are hanging out. Bam, it's done, you pick the place, use all the stuff you want to use and at the end of the day you should k-close easily!!

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Fuckin Drexel kids. You guys could never throw a good party so you always crashed ours

Basically your texts are not offering value. Instead of asking her when she's free, get her interested with a value giving text that has nothing to do with plans, like "omg the most random thing just happened!"

She will get back to you asking whats up, at which point tell some kind of little dhv story. THEN say "oh by the way I'm heading to check out this awesome new place Thursday night, you should come by it'll be fun." You're not ASKING when she might be free, you're TELLING her to come and offering value because this is an intriguing invitation to somewhere different.

One of my favourite places for a date was Beneluxx on like 3rd or 4th just south of Market. They only serve wine, beer, cheese and chocolate and it's a much more chill SPAM and less pressure, not to mention more interesting, than a movie and dinner etc. I think it might have closed down now but if not check it out.

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csi, thanks for the advice. Besides seeing if SHE would text me (which she hasn't...) another reason is that this four-day weekend I'm working or busy almost all the days.

Regardless, I did what you and blondguy both said and told another girl we're hanging out. It worked that much better than what I did with this girl. I leave soon unfortunately, so better luck next year I suppose. This isn't a self-defeating attitude, it's just I'm NOT actually at Drexel yet until the 18th (although I really like the ideas for dates since as a sophomore I still don't know the city too well) so I'll see what happens when I come home for winter break (during which, I'll have had a lot of infield and texting practice during school, sarging with friends and such.

Also, don't be hating on my school's parties, we've gotten better since my grade showed up. lol

But thanks guys!

This situation may be FUBAR, but I'll take it as a learning experience and use your tips for other girls and the future...that's what it's all about right?

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wow dude. sorry this is gonna be quite harsh but i dont belive in sugar coating things, because whats the point we need to realise what were doing wrong and work on it. i see a lot of new guys come here and say. oh im quite good with women but there is this one thing i need to work on. thats usually a load of shit.

having read your replies you seem to not really grasp what pua is about and seem to constantly defend yourself/ your actions etc.

if you really want to get ahead in this game u need to stop this.

dont know if any one has covered this but you were very pushy, needy and un confident, even verging on the whining.

i dont know how it was meant to come across i just read the text as i would read it.
just came across as needy and very im a 5 year old not getting my way..


not really no, she seems like she likes you and is being playful. u need to relax about talking to girls. a lot of what you are talking about. negging etc is about cold approaching some chick in a night club. not some girl who likes you.

at this point i would have simply ext back. cool im free then or then. give her a choice of times not a yes or no question. if she says cant do either of them u ask when she is free and you will see if you are too.

just be confident. im busy but can make time for you attitude.

stop negging and being serious. this comes across to women.