hello everyone, quite new to this and liking it.

Ok, so i told this joke to a friend of mine, about 93% of girls doing ''that'' in the shower and the other 7% singing, and she quickly responded she sings.

and today she just told me she just took a shower and that she didn't sing.

I have a long friendship with her, and how that i've discovered PU i said, why not? if we get together it would be really cool, if not there's no worries.

thing is, i have not much pre-selection with her, she knows of me going out with an HB8 that was a bitch to me and who dated a guy she was interested in who also treated her really bad, and ive shown myself as a wuss to her in the past.

now i've been working out for almost a year, look better, and more importantly have a lot of confidence after discovering PU, so

any suggestions how to get out of friend zone? was the comment about the shower an IOI or just a friend thing?

You're friend zoned, if she is hot, use her as a pivot. Maybe she'll wake up, if not no biggie. Pivot.

Hey i just read your post ...... i was in a similar situation a while back .... me personaly..... i dnt think u shud try making any moves ..... insted do wat i did ..... jus hang out with her ..... go shopping 2getha .... i mean shopping 4 your self nt her...... by doing this you'll get more attention from girls in general and when you do watch how she reacts .... if she starts gettin uncomfortable and lil bitchy then u could have something there ..... if nt then jus use her to get otha girls attention ...... if you do this believe me you'll knw where she stands with you ..... women can supress there feelins for men but cnt wen it coms to otha women ...... look out facial expressions n lil things like holding your hand tighter .... n in general like invading your space .... another good tip .... chek out pua videos on here there 1 especially for getting outa the friend zone ..... SAFE

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Thanks TheLastWolf, she is hot, she can pivot and as you say, if she doesn't wake up, no biggie.

hmm12 i agree i shouldn't do any moves, she always hates when a long time friend does things like that, and she gets very uncomfortable when someone she doesn't like shows attraction, I do know that when she likes a guy she goes after him and kisses him, that's how i can play it safe, i know if i do it right she will come after me and i don't have to risk it trying direct.

a little of her backstory: she has never had a boyfriend (she's 25) although she is hot, she is very picky, she can go a year without meeting someone she likes, and the guys she has gone out with are nothing special, always guys who are only her FBs and don't want anything serious, she develops feelings for them and they only use her, mistreat her, and end up having a relationship with a different girl.

I know she may have issues, but she is super kind, it's impossible to get her upset or angry, she just doesn't (except with those guys) that's what makes me think it could be worth it, and with a PUA mentality I have to try somehow to get someone i've liked for so long...

Oh, and since I found out about PU I've been having a different attitude, more open, social, being alpha, etc. it improved my inner game, and is showing.

she's ridiculously kind to me, and yesterday i bought a pack of cigarretes and had her hold it for both of us, later when i asked for one she said: no! (banter?) I couldn't help but notice this change in her attitude towards me.

thanks for reading, any thoughts?

i'll say u knw ur chances with her ...... wetha there high or low jus dnt lie 2 urself ....... keep chipping away at her but dnt invest al ya time with her cuz the reality is ..... she cud jus turn around and say lets jus be friends ........ women can say that cuz there so many other guys ready to tke ur place ...... am jus sayin hav a back up ..... like see sum otha girl aswell x

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Dont bother changing her round, even if you somehow manage, it wouldnt be the same and her trust in you might plummet.

Instead follow prior advice, and use her as a gateway to her friends. Surely shes not the hottest? And why should you settle for second best?

Put your best foot forward with your friend, and let her say good things about you. Try to avoid her saying ''nice things'' about you, itl be harder to score then.
Then when you meet her friends, get gaming mate!

There are two, and only two, ways out of the friend zone.

1) lots and lots of alcohol
2) psychotic jealousy

Here is your plan. I have seen this plan work twice. No other plan has ever resulted in getting a chick out of the friend zone.

Get her very very drunk. Be fun, and escalate quickly. Sleep with her and make sure she enjoys herself. Be nice to her in the morning. Make coffee. Drive her home.
Then ignore her. Stop returning her texts and phone calls. Talk to many other women, and if she is out and about, make sure she sees you kissing and cuddling with these other women.
She will begin to freak out. She will go to her friend and say "I think I have feelings for X, I don't know what to do." Then you can begin to reintroduce contact, making sure to stay in control, and using cocky-funny techniques.

The most important question you have to ask yourself is whether you are ok with loosing her and the friendship for the sake of being together??

Because in order to get girls attracted you gotta push their buttons. If you are afraid to make her upset you won't be able to touch the buttons.

I personally believe we have only the present and should live life to its fullest. From she told you about the shower was a light sexual innuendo. In order to make sexual attraction solid you need to build sexual tension. There are two ways of doing that:

1. Using push/pull kino dynamics
2. Talking slowly, holding deep eye contact and look her as if u are having sex with her.
3. Saying sexual things verbally. Like the shower thing.
4. Tickling her
5. Doing pillow fights
6. Doing massage

These are things you should be doing if you know how to game a girl. For that you need to get experience with getting sexual with many girls. Otherwise you won't be confident but rather seeking for reaction. (You might be actually surprised this stuff works).

In case you don't have much game then there are two decisions you can make:
1 Trying to get her - listen to Zephyrine has got some solid advise. Which should be calibrated to the situation.
2. Or use her as pivot by listening to the other guys.


Feel free to advise.

s-man,

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