I call this the 1 week challenge.

For the next 7 days go out every single night (no excuses) and do the following:

1) Approach ONLY the hottest girls. No excuses.

2) Escalate as fast as you can on each set. Make it faster and faster every day. Escalate until you pull or get blown out.

3) NO NUMBERS. No n-Closes or k-closes. ITS EITHER SEX OR NOTHING AT ALL.

Thats all. You will be amazed at how much you will improve if you do this exactly.

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This is counter-intuitive to almost every proven effective learning strategy.

I did something like this once, i had a friend of mine time me ten mins, and i had to quickly open as many sets as i could

It may or may not.

In order for those three things to be the rules you live by when trying to improve you will need

A: Masses of self efficacy and motivation (something alot of people lack when they start PU)

B: A very fast and analytical mind. (more so than your average person would need, note: Your average perosn is probably better at analysing what is going on in a social situation than most guys who are looking here to improve there game).

C: Very self aware seeing how these three rules Supply a get out clause. When your trying to plan your learning and trying to gain confidence at the same time, (approach REALLY hot girls) is not a good goal.

It's too vague to get your drive to kick in regularly enough.

It CAN work, and WILL work for some.

But for MOST, it's not going to get them anywhere.

More efficient learning systems and rules, are goal orientated, measurable, incremented and targeted.

This fits one of those cateogries and in a very poor way.

On an unrelated note: We have been members here roughly the same amount of time and yet you have almost 1,000 more post than me..when do you find time to go out bro?

And second, im not going to argue with you on your whole "are goal orientated, measurable, incremented and targeted" reply because that is one way to improve.
But, I dont just go by whats books say are the best... Ive given this exact same advice to a bunch of clients to test it out, it worked fairly well for the majority of them.

I do believe Jeffy from RSD gives his students the exact same advice in his bootcamps. As a matter of fact, I may have unknowingly ripped this off of him
In any case, from my own experience, I have seen this advice work...specially for guys seem to only be getting numbers.

I welcome further input though because hell, we might find an even better way to improve guys game in a speedy amount of time.

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If you want, I can upload bunches of studies showing how the rules you have listed are not effective.

Fact is the self help industry and that includes PU contains many misconceptions, (visualisations, thinking about negative consequences for failure, all or nothing mindsets, (like you listed)), Popular mis-conceptions? Yes, widely used? Yes, Useful? Not really.
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Some clarification.
I'm failing to see how any of these rules would help, knowing what we know about learning and developing confidence.

Do you want to go in depth on the hows and whys your rules work? Or do you want to just give appeals to authorities that aren't actually authorities?

It's funny that you mention that you want input, you've just recieved some very valuable input, but you don't seem to be very willing to engage with it in any meaningful way.

Question yourself for a second on what you actually want from this thread... and what you mean when you say to yourself, "I'm looking for some input on my idea's"

You two have a point but don't realize that you have two learning different methods, like "The Secret" and "The Power of Now", both of your learning methods are on the opposite sides of the spectrum.

You Fin are talking about the traditional "Baby step way" study method. While on the other hand Warped is talking about basically huge leaps, "aim for a higher goal, you will fail more but if you are smart you will learn from much more".

Each individual chooses which method he is most comfortable with, but 90% of people choose the baby step method as it is easier and you don't have to face as much failure. The method Warped is talking about comes to a few with experience, and in most cases by accident.

For example in my case it came when I accidentally gamed and number closed my first Hired Gun, and after writing the field report I realized that I learned more from that 10 minute interaction than going out for a month 3 days a week....

On a baby step method a guy's goal is trying to get a phone number while in mine and Warped case he is trying to get the girl home, without even knowing how to number close, maybe he will fail harder at trying to fuck her but after some time he will figure out and by the time he figures it out the baby step guy will only transition into learning how ti kiss the girl...

Why am I saying all this because all the 3 Rules listed by Warped I have discovered and tested myself, the harder the goal and the bigger chance of failure the faster you will get to that goal.

But Fin you have a point for this method to succeed you need the right mentality + being VERY analytical and after every failure analyze on what to improve + not being afraid to fail. And especially for new guys is much better.

On the other hand Warped's and mine will teach you whatever you want much, much faster.

Cheers

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I'll be honest, the "demands" part is kind of extreme. If your temperament shows out very clearly in your actions, the results might not be as good as expected, I feel. Because for an example, women, even those who are solely in interested in sex, wouldn't want to be MADE to feel like they're only going to used for sex. And if they are made to feel that way, they will not have sex with you. It's the Anti-Slut-Defense-Mechanism. Even if

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Women are plenty, time is not.

The "sex or nothing at all" isnt a demand you tell her. Its your goal for the 7 days. Dont accept a number, dont accept a kiss, your either gonna push yourself and get laid, or get nothing. The only accepting sex makes you really push your game and will make you start progressing faster.

I always see guys stoping at numbers or kisses when they could have gotten more.

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I disagree with the whole "Only Sex" part. If she wants to give you her number, or even kiss you - DO IT.

It's called experience - and it's a very silly thing to reject.

Its only for 7 days and isn't meant for complete newbies. Its designed to push yourself into the next level.

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I see your point but I don't understand your logics.

Why wouldn't you FIRST kiss a girl or get her number, before you have sex with her? Why reject it at all?

Sure, sex is the final goal. However, there is no reason to reject what comes before sex.

A lot of guys go out with a goal of "im gonna get a number" or "im gonna get a kiss."

Their not pushing themselves far enough. Thats the point of the 7 day challenge.

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You would get the same amount of failure on both sides of the coin. The difference is with a "won't accept phone, numbers and K closes" your pressing on yourself an all or nothing mindset. Which is hard to motivate yourself to aspire to, and also lowers your self efficacy and weakens coping strategies for anything other than perfection.

Why would an incremented method guy only be interested in a n-close?

There is no real anecdotal evidence to be had here... no "Well I do this.... and I get that...."

Fact is, any story like that, will get drowned out in the dozens more stories that say, "yeah I did it that way, and it got me no-where, then I tried it the OTHER way and I started moving!"

If you are a person with a sharp analytical mind, and great self awareness and motivation, then you have no use for any learning models or rules to help you improve. Because all those rules are just ways to help give you the self efficacy, knowledge and self awareness needed to progress.

If you have the traits required to actively use and learn from this 7 week challenge, then you have the traits to learn PU just as fast without this 7 week challenge.

That's why I said only around 20% use this and you need great self confidence to accomplish this!
Pretty much...haha.. That's why even in the Thread Title it says "It will skyrocket your game"

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