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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:20 pm 
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Dominican Republic?! Jesus. Smart bitches are tough. I live in a college town, game is a little trickier here.


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very effective... a classic but a goody
good to at least initate contact


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There are a ton of ways to do this trick, from a simple schoool yard game to a full on magic trick that involves, as Derren Brown would suggest,..Misdirection, showmanship, magic, and suggestion.

I think this has a lot more effect when you turn it into a full on showmanship excercise. The downside of this is that it becomes too involved for A2 DHV - especially if the girl is drinking on a night out - their attention span I find is usually not long enough.

However, where I found this works brill is in C1/C2 when your in a "non intoxicated comfort environment" - Classically a Day 2 situation I guess. This is what I do:

Start off by doing 1-4 and 1-10 ESP tricks (ala mystery). THEN, you DHV by explaining you knew what they would guess because it is socially programmed to go for 2 3rds basically. I sometimes then go on to explain the power of suggestion etc. But I want them to be secure in the knowledge that their first guess is never truely random (there is a specific purpose to this)

Next, I say ok pick a number between 1 and 9 again. Then I say, ok now this number as Ive just epxlained is NOT free of social pre suggestion and is not random. Therefore to make it harder for me, Im gonna apply some random maths to make it truely random.

Now - the beauty of this is it turns something that makes the trick suspisiously predictable into a tool to make the trick more random and harder -(Misdirection).

TheN do the maths (all along I act like im making it up on the spot). They end up with a figure (4).

Next you do you again act like your asking them to think of random country, animal and fruit.

Now I say "ok so you should have a number, a country, an animal and a fruit. Are you happy that these are random guesses, and your guesses could have 1000's of possible routes, so theres no way I could know what your thinking"

HB: Yes, I have know idea where this is going, Im so excited your amazing (an untested field response but we can hope...)

Next, I get her to transmit each item to me by concentrating on it at the back of her head and pushing it to the front making it louder and brighter and she starts shouting it at me in her head (Thanks Derren Brown). - Be a showman here, hype it up, your reading her mind, but its tough (I might find other things in her mind, like a copy of heat or some other stereotypical thing, like its full of shoes haha (slight cheeky neg in C1 here but I find it still helps to build comfort if its not full on)

Now, I will start writing my guesses down on a piece of IMAGINARY PAPER. I say, now theres no proof I have these right because you cant see whats on this imaginary paper, but, if I....Once I have all three guesses, I fold up the imaginary paper and PUSH it into my right hand through the back of my hand.

When I open up my right hand, there is ACTUALLY a piece of paper (A5 Size that I have had palmed in my right hand the whole time, while doing expressions with an open left hand) folded up neatly in there. I give it to her, and say, ok these are my guesses. I hope they're close.

Did this on a day 2 the other day and although she was a massive synic she was amazed - this is going to become a stock C1/C2 day 2 routine for me now.

Just my take on it, thanks for the original post! Great fun!

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[quote="audacious123"]FAIL!

She picked Dominican Republic, Cat, etc...[/quote]

you could ask her.. think of a european country that starts with that letter.. (DENMARK).. although for the letter K, usually girls here in the philippines always answers with "KITTEN".. hahahaha..


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People are you picking up girls or nerds?

I would never use matemathics shit for girls. They are out to have fun, no to be smart. Even I get bored, how do you thing you can keep them interested but breaking the partymood with homework?
:lol: :lol: :lol: LOL

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FAIL!

She picked Dominican Republic, Cat, etc...
you could ask her.. think of a european country that starts with that letter.. (DENMARK).. although for the letter K, usually girls here in the philippines always answers with "KITTEN".. hahahaha..
i know how you feel i kinda have the same problem, in dutch, even germany starts with a D it's Duitsland, but for the rest i love this routine ^^


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haha it would be my luck that the girl picks d dominican republic
besides that it still was a fun game to play


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This is brilliant! I just tried it on a buddy, and I can't wait to use this in the field
next week! I hope nobody else has used it on the target before Haha!

Props for sharing it man! Much appreciated!


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This can go wrong. I've worked it several times as a way of proving that im "smart as well as cool". The way it goes wrong is if they pick koala as the animal, in which case it comes as Denmark, Koala, Amber.

The way to get around this is by judging how long it takes them to think of the animal. Kangeroo is so obvious that if they dont get it within a second of thinking then they'll probably opt for koala.

Aside from that it's hard to tell but in my experience its 9 times out of 10 Kangeroo.


Just thought i'd let y'all know that there is a flaw, no matter how small





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I've seen this routine elsewhere, and have used it myself, but I have to say I like your version better. The version I've used was the same up until Denmark, then, in my version, you would have them take the second letter of the country and name an animal. Most people would come up with "Elephant". To finish it out, as I was leading them down this path, I would be drawing an elephant on a notecard with the word "Denmark" underneath, and in the reveal, I would say, "That's silly...there are no elephants in Denmark" as I turned around the card to show what I'd drawn. Your way is much better, though.

I've had medium to low success on that version working, however, primarily because girls get bored with the process of doing the math, thinking of a country, etc. It's really important to get them hooked and dedicated to finishing the game, or they'll just say they're confused and give up.

This is how I opened a 3-set (two 7's and a 9/ 9 was the target) last night with this:
I was with a buddy at a party, and he is not into gaming, but we both spotted the set at the same time, and wanting to impress him with what I've learned from you guys, I told him to come with me and just play along. We started walking past the set, and I said, loud enough for the set to hear,

Me: I'm telling you, man...the shit works! (At that point, I turned to the set, and asked for their opinion.)

Me: Girls, have you ever heard of NLP, Non-Lingual Persuasion? It's the theory that you can manipulate someone's thoughts and actions on a subconscious level, like subliminal advertising."

7 Girl: Yeah, I've heard of it, but I don't think it would make someone do anything specific or different from what their own opinions already were.

Me: Well, I've been reading up on it a bit, and I gotta say, I'm a believer. I mean, advertising is a multi-billion dollar a year industry. People wouldn't spend that kind of money on something that didn't work. Let's try a quick experiment to see if it would work on skeptics like you.

7 girl: Okay.

Me (to the 7 Girls): Okay, I'm going to use you two for this little experiment.

Me (to the 9): You don't get to play in this one [a little neg]. I want you to be the control specimen. You just watch me and try to pick up on the subliminal messages I'm dropping. [she was a bit miffed that she didn't get to play, but it got her concentrating on watching me]

Me (to the 7's): Okay, now I need to get you to clear your minds a bit, so I'm going to distract you with some simple math. [at this point, I pull out a notecard and a pen] What I'm going to do, is give you some directions, DEN MARK down on my piece of paper here, as I talk to you, what image I'm trying to pull your minds to. [As I say this last part, I am holding my hand up in front of my face, palm towards my face, and pulling it out and down towards my waste, kind of outlining an elephant's trunk. Remember, in the past, I have used this aiming towards getting them to come up with "elephant". Next time, to adjust to the "kangaroo", I may draw a line across my belly to indicate a pouch, maybe do a subtle little hop in place or something, and at some point touch something that is colored orange. Also, notice instead of saying "then mark" I said "den mark", so I am actually using a bit of subliminality(?) and giving the 9 some things to pick up on. If I really want to lay it on thick, I'll fake a polite little burp, say "excuse me...that Danish I had before coming out is not mixing well with this beer", dropping another subliminal with DANISH.]

Now I go through the math part, getting them to Denmark. I was doing this at a fraternity party at a school in Alabama, a smaller school, so along the way, I teased that I understood if they weren't good at the math or geography, since we weren't in a big college town, like Tuscaloosa (home of University of Alabama, mascot the elephant). Okay, so now I've got them to Denmark, then I continue to the end, with a hope that they both came up with elephant.

Me (to 9): Okay Control, come stand by me [I reached out and took her hand, pulling her next to me]. Don't say anything, but look at what I've written here. [I show her the picture of the elephant with "Denmark" written beneath it. [She kind of scrunched up her face and looked at me like I had written two of the most random things she could think of.]

Me (to 2nd 7, less skeptical of the two): What did you come up with sweetheart?

2nd 7: An elephant. [The 9 gasps]

Me (to 1st 7): And you?

1st 7: An eel.

Me: Well, I was half right...[turn around card and show them the picture and Denmark].

2nd 7 laughs.
1st 7: Well, I was thinking of Denmark.

Me ( to 9): So, Control [at this point, she says "I have a name, you know...I'm Stacy] Okay, Stacy, did you catch any of the signals I dropped?

9: Well, looking back, I guess you were kind of making a trunk motion with your hand.

Me: Yeah, I was...that's good. [Then I explain the rest of the signals I gave.] Okay, I feel bad that you were left out of the game, so I've got one just for you, Stacy.

At this point, I go into another routine based on memory. I wrote the numbers 1-10 down the back of the notecard I had drawn the elephant on and gave it to her (souveneir). I told her to write down 10 random words, one next to each number, then give the card back to me. She did, and then I made a bet with her. I told her that I would look at the card for 20 seconds and perfectly memorize all of the words in the order they were written down. I did this, then gave her back the card. I told her that I wanted her to grab me at any point during the night, in a few minutes or even in an hour or two, and I would be able to perfectly recall the list. She could name a number and I'd give her the corresponding word, or vice versa, or she could name a number and I would recite the words forward or backwards from that number. If I was wrong at all, she could have my cooler and everything in it. But if I was right, she had to give me her number. At this point, I thanked them for their indulgence, and moved on to another set.
About a half hour later, she found me, quizzed me, and I got the digits. I used the memory "peg" technique from Mystery's "Rules of the Game". Hit me up if you don't know it and want me to explain it to you.

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People are you picking up girls or nerds?

I would never use matemathics shit for girls. They are out to have fun, no to be smart. Even I get bored, how do you thing you can keep them interested but breaking the partymood with homework?
Where do you game dude? I can understand not using that DHV in a club or a bar, but he did it in an office, which I personally think is one of if not THE best place to do it. Everyone in an office is bored and needs some sort of stimulation...even if it has to do with some simple mathematics. But I totally get what you're saying too dude.

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i did this the first weekend of parties at college, and it worked pretty well. The funny part is i didnt have it down, so it didnt work out right, but even if you fail its easy to be like, "ok so i didnt get it right, but was i not the most interesting guy youve talked to all night". then put up a time constraint, talk a little, n-close, and leave

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wow, I just did this over the internet with a friend to see if it works....amazing, she was definitely impressed. thanks again dude!

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The troubles of living in a non-English speaking country. In my language there are quite a few countries starting with a 'D' (E.g. Germany), same goes for animals etcetera.

I think I'll switch this up a little.

I'll copy the:

"1 x 9 = 9 - 5 = 4
2 x 9 = 18, 1+8 = 9 - 5 = 4
3 x 9 = 27, 2+7 = 9 - 5 = 4
..."


After which I'll take their hands and maintain strong eye-contact. Maybe say she'll tell me the answer through squeezing my hand or doing something with her eyes. Then do some simple mathematics, ending with what's 7 - 3, and once she says 4 I got her.

Might be far less impressive, but it works in my language too and it's some kino. (If I have some more free time I'll see if I can come up with a way to apply your entire version to my language.)

[Edit: Never mind. I already thought of a fix, now I can just do your version. Still, the hand-holding might be a nice addition, whatever you do.]

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you're probably from belgium or the netherlands are you?
please share your version if you want.
i'm from belgium.


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FAIL!

She picked Dominican Republic, Cat, etc...
Wow the girl must know her geopgraphy pretty well then lol


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