I guess it depends a bit on what you're talking about, but usually I make up stories on the fly that we both know are bullshit, but as long as she's playing along it's more of a game than anything. I don't think lieing about anything she can disprove (like career or background) is smart, since it will put you in a bad light if she discovers it. Also, you'd be lieing to yourself, which isn't exactly positive.

Lying is not "necessary" but it works and makes your game better/easier.

Do I lie? YES. Do I lie about anything serious that really matters? NO.

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Women are smarter than you think... but not as smart as THEY think

No lying isnt even recommended.

You are supposed to develop so far that you dont have to lie. You should be able to just tell her who you are and thats that.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Sure thats fine once you have established yourself. But what do you do before that?

You have to fake it till you make it. Or you can waste time being a "goody goody" or "nice guy" and we all know how that works out..............

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Women are smarter than you think... but not as smart as THEY think

Lying isn't necessary, but being a good liar is.

^What he said.

From my POV, I would say being honest for most of the part, but speaking small little lies with no cruel intentions and which are also harmless, is fine.

Eg:

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Women are plenty, time is not.

Exactly. lying certainly isn't necessary, but if you want it can help.

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Even the most naturally gifted can learn to become better.

Let me save you the trouble of needless fluff talk by telling you how this thread is going to turn out.

Question: To lie or not to lie?

rAFC: Yes, lie!

PUA: Why?

rAFC: I need to lie because I don't have my own DHV stories.

PUA: Why do you need DHV stories?

rAFC: Mystery said I needed them.

PUA: Why do YOU need DHV stories?

rAFC: So I can create attraction.

PUA: How do DHV stories create attraction?

rAFC: The more social value I'm perceived to have, the more my target will want me.

PUA: You don't need to lie for women to want you.

rAFC: YOU don't need to lie because you have tight game, but I do!

PUA: You're only thinking that because you don't believe that women will not like you for who you are now.

rAFC: Of course they won't!

PUA: Yes, they will.

rAFC: I've been a "nice guy" for my entire life and I've never had any success with dating!

PUA: Were you really that "nice guy," or were you trying to manipulate women's behavior by trying to get them to like you? Were you genuinely "nice," or were you PRETENDING aka LYING?

rAFC: Holy shit, I guess I've been lying to women this entire time and it just hasn't been working!

PUA: Have you ever tried being HONEST about your sexual feelings to women?

rAFC: No... I've always been too afraid to show how I really felt because I was afraid of getting rejected... but... I've confessed my feelings to a girl before and I've gotten rejected! Honesty can't work!

PUA: Were you really honest with that girl from the start?

rAFC: No, you're right. I was hiding my true feelings from her at first. I can't just tell a girl that I find her sexually attractive from the start, though!

PUA: Why not?

rAFC: I'll get slapped! Her boyfriend will come out of nowhere and kill me! I'll trigger her ASD because I telegraphed too much interest!

PUA: Do you know this from personal experience, or are these just hypothetical fears?

rAFC: I've never gotten slapped and I've never gotten any trouble from boyfriends before, but I've tried a little bit of Direct Game before and she definitely didn't jump on my dick.

PUA: Why do you think that happened that way?

rAFC: It's because I'm unattractive by looks, personality, or both. I don't REALLY know why. Women just don't want to have sex with me. They are repulsed by my sexual advances.

PUA: You admit to not really knowing WHY (which is also why you're trying to learn pickup - to learn why), but at the same time you seem so sure that the reason is that you're just unattractive. Do you see how that doesn't make sense?

rAFC: Then tell me why! Why didn't those girls from my past reciprocate my sexual interest?

PUA: The core of the reason is that you are scared. Women don't want boys. They want men. Boys are scared, but men are not afraid of being true to themselves, and men who are true to themselves are honest men. Men understand that not everyone will like them, and that's OK. They don't try to win everybody over by lying. They aren't afraid of such menial things.

rAFC: So you're saying that the only reason someone would lie when trying to seduce a girl is that they're scared of putting their true selves on the line?

PUA: Yes, and that liar is scared of putting their true self on the line because... he is insecure. He thinks that even one rejection of his presentation of his true self will mean that he is worthless.

rAFC: So how can a scared boy become a fearless man?

PUA: Of course, every man was a boy at one point. A person gets over a fear by doing what they fear... despite the fear. It's like getting on a roller coaster for the first time. You don't know what it's going to be like, so you're scared before you get into the roller coaster car. After the ride, however, you realize that there's really nothing to be scared of. And the fear stops haunting you.

rAFC: But... I KNOW that there's nothing to be scared of when it comes to approaching women and talking to strangers... but I'm still scared! I still have Approach Anxiety!

PUA: That's only because you haven't experienced this realization personally. You can't read a fear away. Even if your friend tells you that roller coasters are completely safe before you ride one, you won't feel so good about it until you've done it enough times yourself.

rAFC: So I just need to DO IT more?

PUA: Yes.

rAFC: And then I can DHV by just telling the truth of who I am!

PUA: Yes, but it's not even worth it to think of DHVing. What you really want to focus on is creating and escalating sexual tension. Value comes second to sexual tension, and they are two completely different things.

rAFC: Does that mean I don't ever have to memorize or use any DHV stories? I can go straight to the sexual tension stuff?

PUA: Yes, and you'll be honest the entire way through with faster results than trying to lie your way through this journey.

Never been to disneyland? Don't have any stories to relate to what she's saying? Try HONESTY. It works wonders.

HB: I went to disneyland last summer and it was great!
You: I've never been to disneyland. What was your favorite part about it?
HB: *tells you great memories while re-experiencing all those positive emotions while talking to you, thus associating good feelings to you*

Chief YOU ARE A FUCKIN GENIOUS!!
with this story your actually right, i've only been real with some people so far and i havn't really been myself this whole time. with the whole dysneyland story i used to be the AFC because ive never been able to see the through to the other side, now i definately know how i should respond to things and as for DHV their going to be the real deal no more lies and bullshit.
Thanks for making me open my eyes, since now know about all this im going to stop.[/quote]

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Three Types of Players:
1) Those who doesn't know whats happening
2) Those who watch what happens
3) Those who make it happen

I agree with what's being said above but tbh if I was facing an HB10 and in the spur of the moment a small little lie popped out of my mouth.. I wouldn't really go after myself for it or consider it that big a deal. May be it's just me

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Women are plenty, time is not.

Chief condensed it...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

"Its not lying, its flirting"
-The Game

impressive chief!