my first post here.

Thanks for posting this video.. really helps me out with a problem I have at the moment =). I thought I was going to be ljbf'ed, but I think I'm being perceived as a "player" since all I do is being c&f/negging and talking about other girls etc. I guess I'm doing it to the point where the girl I'm talking to feels absolutely no comfort whatsoever with me and wants nothing to do with me because of that.

Thanks Hobbit! Great video. =)

Good Stuff Hobbit,

A graphical representations always helps when describing a particular scenario, in this case a fine line between attraction and the friend zone. You hit the nail right on the head with this video.

And as you mentioned, the key thing is to know when you have gone too far on either end. Most guys at that point are stuck either in the LJBF or Slut zone and get one-itis...

The hardest part is moving past the one-itis...but once they do, they start controlling the situation and then they have to realize that the they messed things up and not the girl. So guys, take accountability for your own mistakes and why you are in a particular zone in the first place. Most psychologist would call this the 'acceptance phase'.

Another important aspect of being stuck in either zone too far is to realize the power of having female friends. Especially when the guys and gals go out together. So never look at it as a loss but a gain. Who knows, over time the guy MIGHT swing towards the relationship material midpoint with the girl. Think positive all the way around...it will make it look all the better.

Added benefits of having a woman friend:

1. helps you buy cool cloths that look good on you.
2. helps with your hair style.
3. increases your value when the girls are with you in public
4. can help you pickup on other woman, be those extra set of eyes
...

The list goes on and on.

Best,

J-Dub

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Its better to be the predator than the prey.

You need to be a good player if your gonna be successful at the game.

wow very nice video, very interessting and helping :p

thank you

nice video

Good video....The photo is pretty funny.......His look is definitely miserable

Question: Say you were established in the Friend Zone™ and then did a ballsy escalation that ended in failure (look up "Balls out approach to LJBF Fail" in field reports) and the 4 dreaded words. What side of the spectrum would you be on?

Yeah this graph is perfect, It makes everything clear.

Now that I think of it, this is real true...

I got a chick who I'm friends with but want a relationship but she always pulls away.. N when she does I kinda just get away from her till she starts to miss me, but whenever I do she usually comes back on some flirty sexual shit but like.. we always end up back to square one. n now I know why.

N then theres this other chick who im ALWAYS joking with.. She always says how funny I am, and how much she laughs.. blah blah blah.. N Last night I hit her up asking what was wrong cuz she posted some status that sounded like she broke up w. someone.. But I was like.. whats wrong? who I gotta beat up..? N she explained that it was no biggie n I started joking again n she just was like "I fuckin love you" Lol..

that push n pull is interesting... I'm glad someone illustrated it.

really helping...
tnx

Very complete and helpful information. The image of the guy is very sad and I think no one likes to be in that position. Thanks man.

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ty for that video. Helped alot

Hi to all
Also it's my first post here.
Just wanted to say that it's a great video.
I think almost all of us can in some way relate to it...
Thanks!

Anyone?

So how should you bring back the balance? The most tips you read on the net about escaping the friends zone is to reduce comfort. So stop helping her, argue a bit, things like that. But is this the way to compensate the lack of attraction? I would say: ok you have comfort covered, increase attraction. Or is arguing, teasing, not helping attractive?