I will say that ive been playin the game for a while and it hella works...

but for LTR and marriage (thats what im looking for) when we continue to challenge her, don't we lose the part of ourselves that wants to become attached and love a women? Love is mutual, to be able to give her everything you have (and blah blah blah). I understand there are no fairy tales, but im beginning to think the second she thinks im more interested in her than she is me, she's out the door

im really not seeing how it is possible to get and stay HAPPILY married

thoughts?

You are correct for the most part. However, if you can fall in love without losing your spine and turning into a completely pussy-whipped floppy-cock... then I'm sure you can still feel that warmth and keep her interested at the same time. As long as a woman respects you she will usually stay interested. Women usually lose respect once a man stops standing up to them. They don't want a partner that is weaker then them.

I honestly don't believe people are biologically or emotionally designed for life time commitment. I think nature designed us to commit long enough to raise a kid old enough to be somewhat independent and then move on. Marriage.. after all is a social construct and not a natural thing.

Therefore, when I enter a LTR I do so with the attitude that it will probably end at some point. But thats ok.. because I can enjoy it while it lasts and have as much fun as possible. Then once it ends I can start over or move on.

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Women are smarter than you think... but not as smart as THEY think

Dude, just keep gaming. Sounds weird, I know, but hear me out.

I love you guys and what this whole "gaming" thing is all about. Like most, I got started by reading Styles's and Mystery's books, then started checking the forums. The lessons I learned let me be a better me...more confident, more fun, etc. Now, I am dating a girl that I know deep down is way out of my league, and I never would have had a shot at if I hadn't learned about how PUA's do it. I understand what you're talking about, and I can see where you would fear losing her if you let her get close and you made yourself vulnerable to her. I think the same thing sometimes. So, what I do to kind of get over that, to let her get close but still keep her worried/challenged/afraid of losing me, is that when we're out together, I still game other people. She knows I'm with her and that I won't cheat on her, but when she sees me open up a group of strangers, how easily and quickly I can make friends, and she sees how the other girls are hanging on my every word, subconsciously (or maybe consciously) she realizes that if she's not careful, she could lose me at any time, even though I often tell and show her that she's the only girl I want to be with.

Try it for awhile, and see what happens before you totally go AFC on her and quit gaming cold turkey.

Good luck!

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Don't argue with idiots...they'll just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I believe marriage is a God thing, and I am a Christian. Don't wana argue religion here, but nonetheless, thanks for your input.

The confidence thing is good, I've learned alot from it. Be proud of who you are etc etc etc

I believe my pessimism comes from a life time of terrible relationships from really shitty girlfriends.

Maybe the quality of girls I choose to commit to is bottom of the barrel? Who knows.

it's easy,you have to choose her,not the pussy.You have to make an effort for staying with one person,it's quite hard,but 30 years from now maybe you will be happy about your choice!