I have a friend who is an all natural pua. He gets more pussy than anyone I ever knew. He never studied pua stuff ever. This is what I learned in detail.

Several years back, I was very interested in this amazing HB9. She was the perfect package. Good morals, no drugs, didn't smoke, loved everything I enjoyed doing etc. She was better than GF material, she could have been the one. I wanted her more then anything. I was sick in lust with her. I didn't know how to get her attracted to me. I had good natural game but nothing seemed to get passed her defenses. She had been heartbroken a few times, she basically didn't want to date anyone for any reason.

I went to my friend for some help. Ill call him Tyler. Tyler was the king of nailing HB9+s. He was an amazing dancer, great on a guitar, and a decent singer. Anytime I went to a bar with him it was like accompanying a celebrity. Every dime piece in the joint would approach him and hug him and say hi. I think he knew or fucked every 10 at every bar with a dance floor in this state.

Tyler was tall and skinny. His hair was blonde, and he would spike it so that his spikes were connected at the top, but spread out towards the bottom. He had a surfer/Cali boy look to him. He wore silver jewelry rings, earings, and a pooky shell necklace. He always wore blue jeans, a white wife beater, and a buttoned collar down half unbuttoned in front. His style was unique, and he was popular even amongst the guys. He radiated a peacefulness to be in his company. He was like a human uber magnet to most.

His stats are even more impressive. He never drank ever. He was let in at most places as a VIP just cause they loved to have him there. He also was a DJ that knew every other DJ in Minneapolis. He had hookups galore. His cell phone back than had more than 400 numbers in it, 375+ being HB9s that he had been with or wanted him. At his house one day, he casually mentioned inviting some chicks over. 2 hours later, he had around 30 HBs all vying for his attention. Having him around made me instantly popular to all, but having him around when trying to get a girl was a disaster.

Tyler had a way of speaking so easily to women. He would always be touching them, and whispering. He always had them prying for more info. He treated all women like his best friend he hadn't seen in years. He acted excited, and than would get super calm. He would slow things down to a crawl. Next thing ya know, hes bringing another litttle sweety out to the car for sex or whatever. Its crazy. Sometimes hes just too lazy to bring them home to bang them. Tyler is genuinely a nice guy though. I ve heard him complain about NOT getting blowjobs cause his sexy GF only wanted to fuck all night . He rarely swears, and and not a jerk or anything. He doesn't AMOG people, he just isolates a lot and takes control. He is exceptionally well at getting his outcomes.

I told Tyler i needed "game". I couldn't dance like him or play a guitar or sing, but I still wanted his perspective on how he did what he did without ever once even trying. He told me to come over and be ready for some changes.

I went to his place and he said first of all, lets go shopping and give you a makeover. I agreed. The first store we went to was a store called Beauty Mart. He said they have the best gel and I should get some. (of course the cutey working knew him by name as we got in). The next store was Ragstock. (I hate that store) he started grabbing these shirts I didnt want and insisted I get one. Than we went to get some jeans tha had shredded look to them. Finally we went and got a necklace for me as well, but more gothic in style. I spent around $50, and he thought it was fucking awesome.

We got back to his place and I changed into my new duds. They were not my style at all, but I went with it. He grabbed my gel, and said Im gonna style your hair the right way for once. This seemed a little gay to me, but whatever I just want to be surrounded by hotties. He spiked my hair and put spray in it till it was rock solid in place. My hair is dark brown and longer than his but he styled it the same as his. He ws so proud of my makeover. I felt like a total fucking idiot. I said you are just cloning yourself onto me, how the hell is this ever gonna work. Trust me playa, it always does.

I decided to stay with this new style for a week and see if there is a difference. I found out later there totally was. The HB9 I was dying to be with saw my new look and LOVED it. I reminded her of Ryan Phillipe in that movie where his hair is all choppy looking. She told me she had to push her friend out of the way just to get a better look at my sexy style. I ended up dating that HB. We had a great relationship, but it has come to an end. (she told me months later about the day she saw my hair and was aroused sight on seen).

I would like to see Tyler compete with some MPUAs. Even if they won, he certainely wouldn't leave without some hot piece of ass. Guys it can be done, I have seen it too many times. Its just much easier for some than others.

The lessons I learned.

1. Create your own style, and own it
2. Flirt with every woman, everywhere (even the fat ones)
3. Have something in your life, besides women
4. Try dancing more, even if you suck
5. Learn to play the guitar
6. Don't get drunk while gaming (this lesson sucks, but usually true)
7. Believe in yourself, he BELIEVES he can be with anyone. (I believe he can too)

If anyone else has a story to share about their one friend, who gets more ass than Tiger Woods, do share it here and what helped you out as well.

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good read

Since this thread is about naturals, lets talk about one I know.

Let me tell you, I'm 15. I've never gone sarging with this guy, he's like 35. Yet he's a freaking genius. I know him because he's a tennis instructor (yes, I know, a beastly sport), and we are more friends than student/teacher. Anyhow, we sometimes hang and etc.

Although I don't ask him how he gets so much girls, his attitude and confidence and playfulness and interestingness is enough to answer a question not asked. I can talk with him for hours, though I never do (he is so freaking busy! Argh :] ).

I remember a time we were talking, and we somehow miraculously got to the subject of women. We walked to a plaza where there was a HOT chick. We looked at each other, he went, "watch this" and walked over.

This is fucking magic, guys.

In minutes, he had the girl drooling over him. Some things that stuck in my head that he said were,

"You're wearing heels. I LOVE it when girls try to impress me. The only thing I can say is, try harder (laugh, smile, and play with her hair)."

"You wear so much makeup. Are you wearing a beautiful mask to seduce me? "

And just kept negging. God, he even has a neg for me. Its either Turkey or Onnin (which is retard). This guy is nuts. Anyhow, he has a frame that he immediately sets on the girl.

Frame: No matter what you do, you're doing it to impress me. Thats right, now try harder.

And the harder the girl tries, the more she gets in return. He is master at push-pull, gives just enough leaving the girl craving for more.

Same natural I talk about in the conversation thread. In short, he strings stories together with some DHV blended in for some non-stop, entertaining, funny, Value-raising sessions. And when he's done, he leaves. But makes you feel fully engaged.

Things I've learned:

1) No matter what girls say or do, especially the shallow stuff, they do it to impress.
2) Always have a winner attitude
3) Confidence (if you didn't know this by now...)
4) Stories are great for attention and DHV (duh!)
5) A good hearty neg is always welcome
6) String stories for unlimited talking, yet not seeming like you talk too much
7) Nicknames are a huge neg in themselves (ho #3, for example, one I've started to use a lot).
Have fun! (Really, this guy isn't in it to win/fuck it. He's in it for the fun of seducing people haha).

He can be the best natural ever.
But from that to changing someone's hairstyle just for getting better with women, that is just stupid.

Anyway, despite those last couple paragraphs, that was a good read.

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I'll tell you about one. I don't know him that much, he's my dance teacher but this guy is amazing. He's good looking but keeps it simple. T-shirts and jeans (exept for a dance night here or there when he gets all elegant). He has a straight posture, about normal hight, normal body and pretty high voice (not deep and manly).

You can't help but loving this guy...this guy you can talk with anytime and you can't get a awkward silence...never has that happen. Now the only thing wrong with him is...he's a bit ego, not like bragging, but he knows he's the best (i wouldn't even consider it an big ego...just some people describe it like that-mostly women-)

Now I heard this guy is a player, a ladie's man, has a 2 month relationships and then gets with another woman, but all of the women stay friends with him. Now I have seen his magic a couple of times...and he's like this really good fella almost a fun nice guy. He buys drinks, and gives compliments (example: "you be good and may your eyes continue sparkling) and hugging and whisper in their ear. The last thing (ear whispering) is amaznig. I saw this girl hug him goodbye and he said "goodbye, take care" out loud and than whispered something in her ear and you could see how she got all buttery...it was AMAZING.

But I think he has some preselection (being one of the best teachers and dancers in the region) this defenetly helps him, this and his looks. But I think that the main thing is his vibe and being good to everybody...even a outwordly ugly cleaning lady at the dancing studio.

He only has problem with his teaching parnter. He's in love with her, but she won't let him. Actualy...she's gaming him. She lets him hold her hand from time to timem but thats about it (she's playing push/pull on him)

Lesson learned:

You can give compliments and be polite
You can buy drinks
Even the best players get gamed on:D
You can be good to anybody

And like someone said: learn to play guitar! I can't tell you what magic this does to a girl! It's a straight dart to her heart. You get to the center of attention so easily if you can play and sing semi-good and be fun. One time I had a girl eye contacting me the entire five minute song and didn't even noticet a really good looking guy next to her trying to make a move.

I absolutely love this thread. Excellent post Sub zero (and the other guys).

I'd love to hear more about 'naturals' that people have met.

good post, maybe instead of playing guiatr tho take up any hobby?

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Heh, I actually recently met another one.

It's really funny, he always contradicts you and looks for a playful fight.
It will be something really stupid, like
"the sky is really blue today, huh?"
"dude, the sky is green... what are you smoking?"
"huh?"
"Yeah dude! It's green."
"no its not... are you blind?"

And around this time he will start cracking up, making you look like an idiot cuz he was all serious and now he's joking... He gets me EVERY TIME. I crack up too, the whole thing is forgotten, besides the fact that he made me laugh. Wierd, eh?

Plus he has no trouble teasing all your insecurities and over exaggerating your foolish actions or stupid things you do...

Basically, he is playful to the max. Never takes anything seriously! It pisses me off and makes me happy at the same time.

You should read the sex society post. I'm not supposed to talk about it, but look it up.

It is basically about this thing, about how there are these anomaly of people that work really good with women, they understand how women work and women understand them.

and i don't really know any naturals. (I'm 15 also)

But i do have friends, that have a way with women(because of social shit)

So yes. I have my exposure to naturals. But i think that anyone can be a natural. IF they are raised with the right belifs, the right mindsets.

Most of us are raised in a negative way. Parents telling us we can't do better. ect.

So yeah look up the secret society post.

Oh nevermind here it is. http://www.rsdnation.com/node/60027

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Changing my hairstyle and getting a necklece did help me in attracting women. I didn't know it had a name at the time, but I got into the habit of peacocking. Tyler was notorious for being different than everyone in site. He made sure of it. Plus the one HB I never had much of a chance with, now thougth I was sexy. Tyler doesn't know what he does that works for him. He was just trying to get me to dress and act like he does to see if it works. He took me out of my comfort zone, peacocked me, made me dance when I hated it, and pushed me try stuff I thought was ridiculous. He was almost a natural PUA trainer. I wish he didn't move to NY because he was an awesome wing.

Does anyone else here have a story worth telling about a real natural?

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My Best friend is a natural, its sad though he's decaying. he lives far away from everyone now and he is getting sick of lays but yet he is still doing them bc he's bored. Far away college is taking a toll on him.

He rejects the pretty boy look or getting all gelled up, he's just a farmer boy but he is impressive, he's an asshole and the girls hate him but at the same time they want to fuck him.
one of my faveorite examples was I stole a girl from him and this other girl was pissed at him and gave him the finger, he said "you keep that up thatll be the only boyfriend you'll ever have." He ended up fucking her.

he's became slightly less natural than he was though bc I've shown him how he was doing what he was doing, but a perfect wing he is a man based on being high value women want to possess him, while I just get girls aroused to fuck me. Our Polar opposite ways allow us to use the same lines but use them totally differently.

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One of my best friends from high school is a natural. He is not the best looking guy. chubby, 5'7, balding, YET he gets hot girls. He has a way of talking to women.

He is very playful and most importantly he is completely unapologetic about who he is. His personality is very similar to "Tyler".. he treats every women like she is his best friend. He is playful and teases a lot.

I know your "makeoever" got you that girl... but from my experience looks will only get you a womans attention. It will not keep her around. So going off your style or look works if you just want to sleep around.. but not for anything long-term.

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Style is great. The Game is a great book. I've almost finished it and it has helped my abilities immensely. With that being said, Im going to look into some DeAngelo next. I've gone from socially inept to having above average social skills and it's growing.

The way I see it, if you're going to study Psychology, it makes no sense to just study Freud. You need to read Rogers, Adler, Jung, Frankl(an inspirational read if you're bored), BF Skinner, Eysenck, Albert Ellis.

I wouldn't just jump into something new, but read the reviews first and also pick what works for you. When it comes to Psych, I prefer the Existential and Cognitive Behavioural approaches to counselling. That's not saying I don't respect what's in the other forms. I understand it best, and I can see personally how it applies to myself.

It's important to read over many theorists in order to get a solid grasp on all their concepts(PUA and Psych).