And thus, your best game leaves a girl really liking you, but of course you're honest in that you don't want a relationship, so you left her better than you found her.

I agree with kasabi 100% for once.

great way to say it. and someone using game is no more or less likely to hurt a girl than someone that picks up a girl using any other technique.

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That is like adding 1+1 and getting 3. It is far too vague to know what is better for a girl. Just because she likes you doesn't mean that being with you contributes to her overall wellbeing. Maybe she would just prefer being alone for a while and being attracted to another guy might not be good.

Perhaps she is just getting over a breakup and you showing so much "good game" made her go afetr you - it might not be in her best interests though.

"so you left her better than you found her"

The word found also implies that you are going to leave her. When you leave after using such amazing game do you think she will like that? Nah people are using this thinking they are always leaving the girl better off. Its far too simplistic in a complex world.[/quote]

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How do the girls usually like to leave the fellas ?

That's irrelevant.

Unless you're a vengeful misogynist who has no idea what it means to be a man.

In my experience this entire conversation is pointless.

Because once most PUAs get in the field...perhaps there are noise, hot legs, alcohol & dancing...this is the very last thing on your mind. Many people even think they adhere to the rule, but if you actually look at your past experiences, it's unlikely.

And that will never, ever change for the vast majority of people for centuries to come.

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I was actually being sarcastic haha, but yeah you're right.

its very relevant--treat others the way you would like to be treated--that works both ways--- unless of course you actually think women are not equal at all and are in fact dumb animals who shouldnt be held accountable for their actions--

and this ''no idea what it means to be a man''---thats a tad gay to be honest

You're going to allow the actions of others to dictate your behavior in a greater sense? Sorry, but that's just some horrible inner game. You don't treat people as other people are treating you; this isn't a revenge game. You treat other people in ways that you are reasonably certain will provide you the results you desire. There is, in fact, a good reason to "leave them better than you found them," in pick-up, whereas treating women as some women are apt to treat their men works directly against you.

When you're working a social circle, you want to minimize the damage your breakups are going to cause when dealing with other targets within that social circle. You do that by ensuring that your breakup is as clean as possible, that your ex-girlfriend has had some enriching experiences with you, and that you are still a nice person in the eyes of the majority of that social circle. Some people will, invariably, think you're a dick, but that's an unavoidable consequence of hurting someone's feelings.

If she is willing to talk to her friends about her relationship with you in a positive light, other women in that social circle will be more inclined to SLEEP WITH YOU. I've witnessed the damage that comes from poor break-ups and let-downs in social circle game first-hand. Women gang up on guys. If you fuck things up with a woman in a bad way, and she's busted when you're done with her, none of her friends are going to SLEEP WITH YOU. No matter how good your games is, no matter how awesome a guy you really are, it doesn't fucking matter because you broke Suzie, and Suzie's friends all think you're a prick. Which, y'know, you are.

That's the practical side of enriching a woman's life by your inclusion in it. You get more tail. Hot girls tend to travel with hot friends; we seek out people who we believe are our equals in attractiveness, and befriend those people (there's science! that does proving!).

There is nothing overtly homosexual about learning to be a man. Granted, many homosexuals are, in fact, very manly, so I could see where your confusion might come from, but there are an equal number of boy-like and feminine homosexuals. If, perhaps, you mean "that's stupid," you should learn something about tolerance, and how hateful uses of that word are propagating an agenda that would force straightness on people. We don't need more competition, sir. I love homosexuals; they're the only men I trust 100% as wingmen, and I appreciate lesbians in a way entirely too intimate to share on this forum.

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So... if you treat others the way you would like to be treated...

You would want women to treat you like shit just because other men have treated her like shit? Because you're implying that you would want to treat women like shit if they treated you like shit.

You should treat others the way you want to be treated, regardless of whether other people follow the same rules as you do. This rule is absurdly different from "treat others the way they have treated you."

As Monkey already said, you have some terrible inner game. One of the biggest signs of immaturity is wanting to get revenge or anything like that. Fucking weak, dude.

Interesting that a group of guys who can hardly take care of themselves are so interested in "leaving girls better than they found them."

1. Worry about yourselves first. Be a better man. Become better than you are now.

2. If you really want to "leave them better than you found them," then consider letting a whole lot of them go before you FIND THEM.

the post above i think is great---the postS above that is an attempt to play to an audience.

where did i say anything about revenge--what i was saying was instead of leaving them better than you found them--

if they act the c**t just leave them---and not give a shit what way they are when u leave them----as they generally leave guys. someone decided to read a revenge plot into what i wrote.

as for my learn to be a man comment being gay---maybe i should have wrote it sounds real dwebish and immature someone raving on about being a man--when someone comes out with ''learn to be a real man''

I just have visions of an angry 16 year old skinny wimpy voiced guy who is telling his dad hes ''A MAN now'' and ready to move out of the home, get a job,get a flat because he has gotten some 15 year old pregnant--even though he has no money, no qualifications and will be back to poppa within 2 weeks for support.

or the teenager who ''is a real man now''
joins the military and with 1 week hes crying about being picked on''

or a closet gay going way over the top being macho to hide things

sorry i just find all those ''be a real man'' and im a man comments over the top on the old macho front and if gay wasnt the correct description i now submit ludicrous and hilarious----there was no need for monkey to spend so much space telling me how much he loves homosexuals---i dont dislike them either but wouldnt go so far as to say i love them.

My little brother's gay, and you're still a dick. ^_^

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better than being a third wave feminist

Can a mod lock this topic? - I think we have all the jist of what peoples opinions are.

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