First off, great work with the situational openers. Its KEY to become comfortable with using a spontaneous comment to start a conversation--its the best way to start a conversation without it seeming agenda-based or contrived.

Of course, as you mentioned, there's always that weird moment--that moment when you (and the other person, too) start wondering: ok, we've had a little "moment," now its time to head our separate ways...

For example, the typical stranger will have the following exchange with you:

"Detroit Red Wings?"
"Yep."
"That's funny."
"Why's that?"
"Well, I'm from Detroit, it just seems funny to see sports apparel from that team for sale."
"Well its a popular team."
"Yeah, but you'd think you'd see more Rangers apparel--but then again, now that you mention it, the Ranger's arent nearly as badass as the Wings...etc."

End. That's a typical "friendly stranger" interaction.

To continue this conversation (the burden of the PUA) any longer puts you in a strange position, doesn't it? You're pushing social boundaries. In fact, to push it any further without sufficient reason, you risk coming across as needy, clingy, and giving yourself away that you're interested in the girl sexually. And you're exactly right: Where do you go from here?

Transitioning from stranger to friend has always been TOUGH for me. Especially if its a girl and she thinks you're trying to hit on her. You have to combat a thousand objections from, "What does this person want?" to "Doesn't this person have anything better to do than talk to me?"

My best success has come from using some combination of these three tactics:

1) Direct DHV "Trick" or "Routine." Your "Power of 9" game is an excellent example of this. The transition then would be something like, "I have to run, but you seem like an interesting person, I think you'd appreciate this..." To make it seem like I'm not some hack magician trying to impress people, sometimes I like to make an offhand comment about, "my younger brother's been trying to become a magician, and he's showing me all these mind reading tricks..." Neil's RINGS ROUTINE (have you read about it yet in RULES) is another example.

2) Turn Questions into Statements. Classic. Any interview question, "What's your name?" "What do you do for work?" can be transformed into an educated cold read guess. "I bet your name is Nicole. You LOOK like a Nicole." And even if you're WAY off--its still an interesting way to continue a conversation. "Why Nicole?" she might say, "Do I look like a Nicole?" You: Well, I knew this girl in High School, and she was TROUBLE..." Into a quick story...

3) Cold Reading. Similar to 2. But try memorizing some basic cold reading lines. Maybe something like: "You seem like an intelligent person. I bet you're also an independent thinker. And i bet you did fairly well in school but that school wasn't a complete experience for you. In fact, I'd say that most of what you've learned and see as valuable you're learned ON YOUR OWN. Your experiences, your friends have taught you more." Truisms are strangely powerful. Overdo it, though, and you can come across as creepy. Especially in these Stalker Internet times. Seriously, I pegged one girl as a Godard fan b/c she looked like Jean Seberg and she looked at me--not astonished--but slightly FRIGHTENED--as if she was worried how i knew her favorite film.

Chopper, I feel like we're on the same page, here. I'm working through these things myself. I hope my successes and experiences can help you in any way. Wish we could work in the field together, my friend.
Peace.
Shaman

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Shaman, thanks a ton for this post man, it is awesome advice. I hope one day our paths will cross and we will indeed work in the field together.

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Night 36
Topics: Routines, Number Closing

Last night my wing and I went to the same bar that we went to last Wednesday. As usual he got started talking right away, and it took me a bit of time to get into the talkative mood. He opened a 1 set so I hung back for a bit. I was standing on the outside of the bar for a little over a minute, with a two set right in front of me. I didn't open them right away, and when I did it didn't go too well. I delivered my opener, and the one girl kept asking me what I was saying, and the two girls just kept looking at each other and not at me. The set was growing colder by the second. Then I pointed to the one girls drink (the one who kept asking me to repeat myself) and said "I think you've had a bit too much already!" She sarcastically "Yeah, I'm SOOOO drunk" then her and her friend walked off. I'm pretty sure the main problem with this set was that I stood there alone and against the wall for a solid minute before walking three feet and opening them. It looked like I was scared, and it made everything look contrived.

A bit later I found my buddy sitting at a table with two girls, so I walked over and pulled up a chair next to one of them. The set was going well. Once the conversation with my girl got a little quiet, I ran Style's ring routine on her (part of my Challenge for yesterday was that I had to run it on 3 girls), and she was like "Wow, that's so interesting, I've never heard anything like that before." At some point during the ring routine I squeezed her hand and she squeezed back right away. Then a bit more normal conversation, then when it started to get quiet I did the Power of 9 routine. Note to everyone: This doesn't work on dumb girls lol. Instead of the usual Kangaroo, Orange, Denmark she ended up with an Iguana eating an Apple in Dubai. I gently negged her that Dubai wasn't a country. Shortly after, my buddy asked if they would get us a round of drinks, because they were on some fraternity's bar tab and they could get drinks for free. For some reason they didn't like this and ended up leaving shortly after.

So we walk up to the bar and he opens a 2 set. They buy their drinks then invite us back the their table where they have 1 other friend sitting. The original two girls were an HB6 and an HB7. The one at the table was at least a 7.5, but she had really striking eyes so I'm gonna give her an 8 in my world. My buddy sits next to the 7 and starts talking to her, so I assume that's his target (he opened, he gets to pick). I pull up a chair by the 8, leaving the 6 kind of separated from us. I would've rather pulled up between the 6 and 8 so I could ignore the target a little more easily, but there wasn't room. So, I go immediately into the ring routine on both of them. They love it, say it's so interesting, and that it got their personalities pretty correct. I neg the target for being a hopeless romantic (her only ring was on the ring finger) and ask her if she's watched The Notebook since yesterday. She and the obstacle laugh, and we continue back into normal conversation.

As the convo died, I went into the Power of 9 routine again. My target fucked up the math and ended up with a Dolphin eating a Nectarine in Finland. I told her that she messed it up, and said something like "That's ok, we all have our strong suits, yours just isn't math." It was the nicest way that I could think of to neg her for not being able to multiply a number by 9. So we go into a bit more talk about the travelling that we have done, etc and my buddy stands up and says he's going downstairs to close his tab. I figure this is a good time to leave (the conversation wasn't about to go anywhere great), so I head down with him. We decide that we're going to leave the bar, but we run back upstairs once more because he wants to talk to the target from earlier (the one that left when he asked for drinks). So while he talks to her I go over to the girl I just got done talking to and say "[Target] y'all seem like fun girls to hang out with, give me your number and I'll text you this weekend." I kind of said it to the obstacle too so she wouldn't feel left out, but I only got the target's number.

So it was a good night in that I number closed the hottest girl of my trip so far. I was really into her by the end of our conversation...she was gorgeous and she was pretty fun to talk to. There was definite room for improvement in my game though:
- I did a good job of building comfort
- I did an okay job at breaking rapport (light negs on her math skillz), but I should have done it a bit more
- I didn't make her qualify herself at all, so that needs to change in the future
- As far as sexual escalation, I did do some light kino but nothing serious and her body language was never directed towards me so I didn't get many IOI's
- Lastly, I should have ignored my target more. After doing the ring routine on both girls, I basically just talked to the target and the obstacle kind of zoned out. If anything it should be the opposite, so I will engage the obstacle a lot more next time.

StyleLife Challenge Day 14 was also completed, so I'm on to Day 15.

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big ups...sounds like a successful night. i LOOOOVE the ring routine! chick crack up the ass! it's built in kino, so maybe u did more kino than you thought. i'm not sure how style's version goes, but i like to talk about the mounts first, as i massage the mounts (fatty tissue at the base of the fingers) and go over the Greek gods really quickly. than as i describe the characteristics, i gently stroke each of their fingers with my thumb, index, and middle as i talk about that finger and look in their eyes to keep their mind occupied from me jcking off their fingers. lol.

as always, loving the blog. i also feel like, i'm at the same stage as u. it makes me feel like i better go out sarging more so i can keep pace with ya. lol. anyways, play on, playa!

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Night 40
Topics: Working the Room, Situational Openers

Last night my wing and I went to this event called the Austin Poetry Slam. It was two venues competing against each other in spoken word poetry. The event was really cool actually, and there were a few opportunities for sarging but not many. We did open most of the possible sets though, just walking around the small room and chatting everybody up. We asked how the event was judged, which venue the people were there to support, what exactly spoken word is, etc etc. It was a pretty good example of situational openers working really well. We also had a sort of base set that we stayed with during the performances and most of the night, so that also worked out well. Very few of the girls were legit targets, but it was a solid night because we did the following things very well:
- Start talking to people as soon as we walk in the room
- Use quick situational openers and come across as fun, sociable guys who talk to everybody
- Have a base set to always hang around or come back to if necessary

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Night 41
Topics: Kino, Routines, Not Controlling the Interaction

Last night was a so-so night. I did some things very well, but there were also some glaring deficiencies in my game. We were at a local bar and the night started off pretty well. My wing and I got separated in the beginning so I was upstairs being social like we were last night. I tried to talk to as many people as possible, all guys in the beginning so it wouldn't look like I was there to hit on girls. I did a pretty good job of this and befriended 3 sets right off the bat. Then I opened a 3 set of girls and ejected pretty quickly, still just trying to be talkative and sociable. I met back up with my wing and joined him in a set that he opened (he knew one of the girls already). While he was talking to the girl he knew, I talked to the one standing next to me. This set went really well. We talked a bit about normal stuff, then I got her talking about her dream job which she seemed to love talking about. Then I isolated her, which I had never done before (at least not on purpose). I did it by starting the ring routine ("Hey, I noticed you were wearing a ring") then when she wanted to hear what it meant I just said "Come here" and walked to a more quiet area of the bar. She followed and when she got here I just said "It's quieter over here."

Jazestix is right, the ring routine is awesome built-in kino. I made sure to make the most of it this time, and she was all about me touching her hands. She even left it out in front of her when I pulled my hand away and kept it there until I touched it again. After the ring routine, we talked for about 10 more minutes. I had told her about a really cool bar that we usually go to on Monday nights and got her number and told her I would text her for next Monday when we go there. She gave it to me without a problem, and I stayed with her for another 5 minutes or so. Then her 3 other friends came over (from the original set) and shortly after I ejected and said "I'll catch up with you later, I'm gonna go find my buddies."

Unfortunately, I didn't see her again during the night. I will text her today and hope that she remembers me, but even though we had a great conversation for at least 15 minutes, it was early in the night and she may not even remember who I was. It would've worked out well if I could have talked to her for one more minute before she left, just so she saw my face and heard my name again.

The later part of the night did not go as well. I did not open many more sets on my own, I basically just followed my wing around and got introduced into his sets. I also was way less talkative for the rest of the night. I think that I can have a better conversation when I am one on one (like with the girl earlier in the night)...I have a much harder time talking to a group. The night finished in a very AFC fashion for me. So I know I need to work on the following:
- Open sets without my wing, so I do not become dependent upon him
- Lock into sets better so I am not awkwardly standing on the outside of the group
- Be able to talk to a whole group of people instead of just one on one
- Find the girl(s) that I number close at least one more time before they leave, so that they will have a better chance of remembering me (and also to go for a k close or venue change if possible)
So, I will continue doing the things that I did well, and I know what I have to work on next time that I am out.

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First off I just want to say that this post is the sh!t. This is exactly what I'd like to read on a PUA forum.

I'm in a similar situation myself, starting out and trying new things to see what works so I'm really glad to see you writing your experiences like this. I might even start my own post about my experiences.

I'm still reading through all 9 pages, but I wanted to ask what success(s) you've had so far, if any?

Hey m8, ive been reading you post since the beggining! Great inspiration! I even started doing the same today. Wish you best of lucks!

Good job bro. You are doing great, pushing it to the limits.
I also, after 1 month started to get solid numbers and dates. So, the next step will be to do dates.
I wish you the best of luck and keep hunting.

really enjoying this thread - keep it goine!

Some quick updates

Hey guys, I figured I'd give you a quick update since I haven't posted in a while. I haven't gone out to game since Monday because I've been doing med school applications and visiting hospitals to shadow doctors. I'll be doing them a lot this week too but I'll go out at least twice. I'm trying to get them done by Friday, when my buddy is coming to visit from NYC and from there until my trip ends it will be game on.

Also, I just realized that I've been getting PM's since this thread started and I never knew it (the emails were going to spam). So to everyone that messaged me, I'm not an asshole and I wasn't ignoring you lol. I'll try to get back to most of you soon.

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Chopper,

Good thread..I've been following it from the beginning. Just a follow-up to what you were saying about the Power of 9 routine. I have used it heavily recently, and I too have found it only works on certain girls. If they don't fuck up the math, they usually choose Denmark. However, when touring around South Florida, I found many Latina girls choosing Dominican Republic (often followed with chimpanzee) as their country.

Just beware that geography can play a part as well.

Keep it up.

Baller_J

Is this guy dead?

Liking the thread ... but no recent posts?

Great so far, loved reading the posts and seeing the improvement