So anyways, I've been pretty good at getting girls my whole life, but improved my game with pua stuff in the last two years. And at first I tried all the standard openers with some success, but the better I got, the more I found complete honest approaches and obvious approaches worked better.

These days, my standard approach goes something like this.
In a coffee shop.

me: Hey how's it going?
HB: um, yeh alright, yourself?
me: yeh ok, just trying to kill some time before a meeting this afternoon, not really looking forward to it.
HB: oh, yeh, I know the feeling, what do you do?
me: Lot's of things, but today I've got my band manger cap on.
HB: oh that's cool,
me: I guess, just a job really, my passion is music, but this is like the least passionate part of the music industry, no real chance to be creative.
HB: oh yeh,
me: what do you do?
HB: I'm studying medicine, but I work at...It's pretty embarrassing...
me: oh come on what, alright here's the deal, you tell me your embarrassing job and i'll tell you the most embarrassing thing that has ever happened to me
HB: well ok, I work as a check out chick at Coles,
me: what, that's not embarrassing, I feel I'm getting ripped off now, but ok, (I told her my rather long and embarrassing story)

after a bit more idle chit chat we exchanged numbers and I met up with her later that night for drinks and then went back to her place

I usually just use openers often described as AFC and yet i never seem to get rejected. I was wondering if anyone is finding this to be the case.

ps. my favourite opener for bars is "hi my name is louis, what's yours?"

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well alot of women have a bitch shield up.you could be the most cool and charming guy ever but shes been approached hundreds or thousands of times before.whats gonna make you any different? If you come in with something that makes her think and drop her bitchyness for a second she wont even know how you got to the conversation. I think direct openers only work for attractive men. My one good looking friend just walks up to scores of women and says HI.he then stands there and says nothing but just stares at the target until she says something.finally she says something and hes in....works for him.i think openers are mainly for AFC's that want to get used to approach anxiety.I think alot of Pua's who are brimming with confidence and attitude can simply walk over to a girl and say So Whats Up. Its not that easy for the rest of us

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you could be right, i just find that a girl thats had a few pua openers used on her before will pretty quickly shut you down if you use one

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i agree.but if you going into a HB8-10...how will 'Hi how are you...Hi im Bob' get you anywhere.it needs to be something original or different

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Matt 2.0, you're using a type of opener. It's part of direct game and I'd call it "Old Friends". You just start talking to someone like you know them and your assumed level of comfort should demolish any shields they have up. An opener doesn't have to be a script; that's best for people who might stumble on their own words or get tongue tied.

Congratulations Stand Up - you've discovered it's not what you say - it's how you say it.

Personally I've never used an opener that worked. All my success has been by focusing on my body language and tone of voice, and mindset.
Not true. In fact if you can attract her with your behaviour and delivery while only saying something mundane, that will win super points with her. You can't fake that kind of confidence. But you can train yourself to get there.

yeh i think ya right, I suppose openers can be great for guys starting out that are nervous about saying anything, but I don't think they get you laid very often.

I find that just introducing myself to HB9-10s is the best strategy as most guys are too shy to talk to them, or use stupid scams and tricks. It sounds childish but i've found that "being yourself" is the best strategy, but the best "yourself" that you can be.

so cheesy, but it actually seems to be the truth, maybe all that crap sesame street told us was right.

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Yeah it really is that simple

A non-complex, but very tough task, depending on your background.

Saying "hi" to a hot girl is actually being for the most part original and/or different. Think about it, most guys try and thing of some fancy line to be original or different when hitting on the hot girl, that saying "hi" to the hot girl will more than likely be a brush of fresh air for them.

when you think about this too much it turns into poker mindgames.

Ok, I'm going to bet on a bluff, now I haven't been playing much so he should take the bet seriously. Unless he thinks I'm making a move because its later in the game and believes its a bluff. But, if he knows I need to start playing more he could worry I am not bluffing in order to fool him...

and so on and so forth. Basically, each guy is better off doing what is more comfortable for him. If a guy prefers to use a few standard openers, cool. If he would rather just strike up a conversation and improvise, that's also cool. you are better off doing what feels better 9 times outta 10 because if you don't then a woman will tell right away that you are nervous.

Cans become cans because who ever created them were creative. . . most still suck.

Unfortunately, most aspiring PUA's are about as creative as a broccoli.

Hi, hello, my name is, what's up, How are you, what's going on, etc . . . are openers for pua's who've accepted that they are about as creative as broccoli. It's OK . . . but it doesn't truly set you up for the rest of your routine. A good open is like a ramrod. These every day chit chat openers are a knock on the door.

Yeh, but if you aren't using a routine at all it's not required. I just talk, and judge when to neg, when to close, usually makes the whole process faster than when you are relying on a routine.

I don't think you have to be original as long as it gets the job done and her into your bed.

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i think openers should be situational like if a girl is sitting on a stool at a club..if you go up there with massive amounts of energy and tell her she isnt having enough fun 9/10 times she is going to try proove to you that she is or she can have enough fun, she will also feed off your energy making everything good all around.

This is a routine.

you have good points here., your good looking friend just walk to women and says hi!, he's looking good too for sure. whatever opener or best canned opener you deliver it would'nth matter as long as you deliver it properly, i mean body language, voice tone, gesture etc... will play a big role here. it's not what you say... it's how you say it. you can even create tension before approaching and opening through powerful body language, eye contact, gesture and posture. this is true to life based on my actual experience

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