Hi, I'm 42, successful business owner and I have a stunning 26 yo ex model who desperately wants to work for me. She's high class, loves money and I can offer her like 10,000/month OTE. I suspect she's very open minded from some things she told me. So she might be willing to do a little extra to get this assignment. We met a few times, business wise, and I have her interest. I can help her with her startup by investing in her business. I've invited her for dinner next Friday to close the deal. No, I sayed next week but she wanted earlier . She loves cars so I take her out in the Maserati. I think I have most ingredients covered.

How do I find out if she's as open minded as I think? How do I hint that we can close the deal between the sheets in such a way that if she doesn't want that, she's not gonna slap me or so? I can say 'what's in it for me with this deal?' but she has an opening to just pay me back in money. What if she has the same thing in mind but she doesn't dare to propose it? How do I give her that opening without the risk of being considered a dirty bastard?

Any hints welcome!

You should definitely try to lay this girl. But I recommend you don't hire her if you only want to sleep with her. Sounds kinda similar to prostitution (sorry man). Then again, you have a completely different lifestyle to most people on here.
Say you want to swing by your place after dinner, to show her something?, invite her in and go from there.

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No offence at all, mate Trouble is: she is good. So I'll hire her anyway but for a lower commission. But I'm afraid that I get frustrated of her running about the office, being stunning but not screwing me. Maybe that's something to mention honestly (a little more subtle)? Like 'you are so drop dead gorgeous that I might fall in love with you, which is dangerous if it's not mutual'. Or do I put too much power in her hands this way?
Not a good plan. I hate the idea of me doing her and my Mrs. comes in. Marriage ruins good sex, you know? But maybe this girl lives on her own (I don't even know if she has a boyfriend). That's why I take the sportscar, to have a reason to bring her home. Otherwise she takes her own car and we just meet at the restaurant.

Bugger, I've been pulling my hair out about this. I'll throw in all my NLP techniques, she already likes my humor (seems important by what I hear) so I'm sure I can get her interested.

What if I make an hilarious joke out of it? Like 'ok, I'll hire you but only if you marry me.' If she refuses, I can always say it was a joke. On the other hand, she might be afraid to respond seriously because it could really be a joke for all she knows.

To be totally honest.. for a 120K a year job at a successful firm.. I'd suck your dick - and I am aware that in many companies to climb the echelon ladder "it's not what you know, it's who you blow".. a cruel but realistic truth.

But in this case, you should hire people for the skills they can bring to a company - if you want to see her, then do so out with employment terms. There are pretty clear guidelines between employer and employee relationships. Sadly for the employer - it usually turns against them. Picture this, if you hire her - others will pretty quickly work out there is an affair going on.. and if for whatever reason you need to fire her she could quickly gather evidence for unfair dismissal, claiming that you only fired her because she stopped having sex with you.

Things like that can take a hefty chunk out of your successful business. Seeing as you are looking to be investing in her - make sure that her advances are not just there to rob you of an investment. She could be scamming you. It does happen.
Think of it like this.. (without knowing anything about her business plan or frame) the question for her is - "Would you seduce and older businessman for a lump sum "investment" and do a runner?" Possibly.

You say she "loves money", flashing your cash at her will just make her more attracted to you, the Maserati, dinner at yours?.. All just cherries on top. But does she want you? or your money..?

If she really is a "high class" business woman, she'd separate her private life to her work life - and you should do the same.

However. Successful business people do not go through life without making a few connections. Get an acquaintance, or a subsidiary company to invest in her - therefore not liquidating any of your own funds to aid a possible loss, and at the same time you can nail her.

And to be quite honest. If you want to follow your dick on this one (which can be harmless once or twice *and once in the morning) be direct, have dinner with her, take her into the jacuzzi (and if you don't have one.. tut tut tut), or ride in the sports car and things will naturally take their course.

But I don't recommend it.. a man of your wealth and stature should find physical pleasure for some other outlets, not ones you will have to work with.[/i]

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Right, I just read your reply while writing my first piece on this.. Think of this:

If you do take her out and have dirty filthy sex with her - she then has leverage over your marriage. Women - especially the drop dead gorgeous ones - are smarter than we think at collecting blackmail material.

On the other hand; if she is interested in seeing you, which she seems to be.. Game her like you would any other woman. C+F, Direct Game / Indirect Game, Shock n' Awe Technique and Kino escalation. Then if you're at a restaurant - move the topic of conversation to sexual fantasy.. women love to talk about their filthy thoughts. You could easily drop in: "I always fantasies about having sex at work - on my desk"..

This is pretty simple really.. just be discreet about it.. for your wife's sake.

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Illusionist, thx for your wise words. In fact I totally agree with you but "all beautiful things in life are either immoral, illegal or fattening" (Walter Kerr). I add to that: unwise. But a few things.

I would never do this with an employee, i.e. being on my payroll. In this case, she just gets a free lance assignment which we can break any day without any court cases. The other thing is, I don't actually give her money to invest. She will be payed per hour by our customers. We take a percentage of her rate in return for the help we offer. So every 100 we invoice for her, she gets 50. If she wants more (like 70, 80), she has to do you-know-what. As soon as that stops, we change the agreement.

As for the marriage leverage, I have some blackmail stuff, too. I can't mention that here but let's say I already helped her with some 'reputation management' by cleaning some of her online history. But first I made a backup .

Another closing strategy crossed my mind. Suppose she negociates a very high fee. I can joke that if we agree that, my accountant will think we have an affair. So it would be stupid to do that without actually having an affair. See how she reacts.

Any help, especially on closing ideas, is highly appreciated.

BTW, bear with my spelling, I'm not native english.

If your wife is not okay with you sleeping with someone else, then this is a dumb idea.

Doesn't matter if you have dirt on her, it's too risky. You both throw your dirt, it sticks, and you lose your marriage over a bit of fluff. At 42 the likelyhood of you re-marrying again is slim.

I know there are couples that do 3somes. They have rules so that it doesn't get out of hand, eg. no repeat girls, always has to be someone random each time.

Huh? At 42 I'm an exeption not being remarried. Sure it's risky but I can also wait till I'm 72 and then decide to do something I always wanted (with a young 57yo HB). But that's not the point IMHO. I appreciate your warnings on the moral side of this but where's my wing man here?

I really need that because I'm too cautious. Example, we had a business meeting today and on the side I mentioned something I had done for her using my connections. She was very grateful and it was just the two of us in my office. I had prepared to say 'that costs you a little kiss on the cheek' in a joking manner but I just didn't. What an AFC am I?

After today's meeting we found another 50-100k a year for her to earn (with triple that amount for my company so again, it's win-win and I don't throw money at her). Should I keep this in my sleeve and be straight about that like 'only if we have sex'? If yes, how do I say that?

BTW the dinner is postponed to next week but she was thrilled about the ride in the Maserati. 'I'm gonna take pictures!' So it's picking her up and bringing her home.

Dude, I am your wingman. "Morality" doesn't even come into it. If you're willing to put your entire marriage on the line for a bit of fluff without even running it by your wife, why don't you just consider the fact that maybe you're better off not being married right now? That's where you may end up if this goes bad anyway.
Yeah you should have done it. Her reaction would have shown you how you're progressing with her.

At the moment I'm operating on a philosophy that you should focus most of your efforts on being as attractive as possible and not so much what you say and do, but how you say and do it. So rather than thinking of some awesome way to bring up sex or something, work out how to say "hi, how you doing" in the sexiest way possible. And so far I'm seeing more improvements more quickly than before.

Anyway the things you're thinking show that you're an AFC with a lot of money. You need to pull strings and throw money around to get girls to kiss you. That's even worse than a normal AFC.

Basically, you don't believe that if you were just in a room with no strings, that you could behave in a way that would turn her on. If you're doing everything right, she'd show signs that she wants to do stuff with you, and when you see them, then you just respond appropriately.

You're right. I'm an AFC with a lot of money and I know that. That's why I joined this forum. I'm convinced I can recover at age 42.

The date was this week and seriously, she's interested. Not just because of the money and the sportscar. She's got the job and she can earn her own Maserati in about a year. I don't make my employee's money, they make mine and she knows that. People I pay minimum wage cost me, people I pay 10-20k/month commission make me rich. So yes the money is a point but she knows she doesn't have to have sex with me for that.

The date changed a lot. We laughed a lot, we talked about the meaning of life and we appear to have many things in common. (For the NLP experts: we sort on the same things, we have the same beliefs, we have the same representation system etcetera). I started with the kino but concentrated on our mental relationship. Like you say, I'm being attractive to her because who I am, because I compliment her sincerely etcetera. I did kino but limited to touching hands, arms and legs. She initiated some high fives and kissed me goodnight at her front door. On the cheek. She's not just a bit of fluff, I fear a crush developing. She's an extremely intelligent and professional HB10 who thinks, talks and acts like 10 year older women. And yes, I might consider not being married. These things happen.

IOI's:
- she says she's open minded
- she says I'm an intelligent older man who has something to talk about
- she says she fancies intelligent older men who have something to talk about
- I was the one to call it a day and bring her home
- she's constantly seeking eye contact, also across the conference table during meetings
- she publicly refers to things she knows only the 2 of us know about, like jokes we made, I wink, she smiles
Not entirely true. I master the approach, opening and mid game - also when girls don't know I have money. Like in a bar or in the super market. I'm obviously good looking because women come up to me. I have a nice talk, I'm intelligent, humorous so I if I loose all my money, I'll still be attractive. In this particular case, I knew my money could be of help because this is a high class girl. My problem is I don't know when I can close. For some reason I'm unassured about that. I block when I should close because I'm scared that I might have misinterpreted the IOI's. That is the title of my thread, I'm not afraid of being rejected but of looking like a fool and destroy things when being rejected. All my closes when where the girls took the initiative to close.

My plan is to develop the kino. I try the eye lash routine and see if the kino escalates. Any more tips on how to escalate kino? And other IOI's to look for?

Dude, you should listen to Conker. He's giving you some REALLY good advice.

There's a lot at risk here. You could lose everything if you mis-interpret anything.

If you try and close her, whats to say she rejects you and then somehow it gets back to your wife? Or your job?

And I think rather than "blackmailing" her; which is really fucking bad, you should just game her normally as you would any other girl you met in a bar or on the high street.

Your money, job car & lifestyle are all just DHV's, you shouldn't be using them to get her, you should not even mention them before introducing them to her and this way the "wow" factor can be introduced more emphatically.

If i was talking to someone and they constantly told me they had a Mazzeratti, when I eventually saw it I wouldn't be as impressed as if I was taken back to the car park and told to get in the passenger seat without even knowing they had one in the first place, you following?

At the end of the day, gaming this girl PROPERLY will work out better in all aspects. You don't want her to sleep with you because she feels she'll seal a job if she does, or she owes it to you to do so.

However; if you can physically and mentally build this attraction in the correct way, and she is GENUINLEY attracted; she is less likely to spoil anything in regards to your seemingly good lifestyle.

This was a very interesting post. I enjoyed contributing!

Regards

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"If it can be dreamed, it can be done"

Like I sayed, if I met this girl in another setting, I wouldn't have mentioned my financial situation. If it was an arty farty girl, I would have left the Maserati at home and played piano for her (for the sake of argument). In fact, if I'm talking to a girl and my 'wing' says that I'm rich, I'm sick of that. I do want girls to be genuinly interested and they are.

But this girl was introduced to me at the office when she solicited for an assignment with high income. Money was why we got connected in the first place. The Maserati is parked in front and surely she assumed it was mine. I didn't have to be like: if you date me, you get to ride a Maserati. And officially it wasn't a 'date' but a business dinner to close our deal. Also, she got the job anyway because she's good. She didn't have to sleep with me for that.

I wish I hadn't mentioned the bribe thing here. As if I bribe her into bed! The only thing is that if things go wrong and she threats to bribe me (job/wife) I can threat to bribe her back. But I hope I never need that.

Again, the date changed everything. For me she's not a fluff anymore - I like her as a person, different to other girls I meet. In 2007 I dated the Playmate of the Month when her issue was in the stores (it's a long story). But she was a dumb f*ck. That was a fluff. Yesterday I parked the beforementioned sportscar at a restaurant and a young blonde accounts manager (HB8) started flirting. We exchanged business cards and late in the evening she added me on Facebook (instead of LinkedIn), inviting me for a lunch. That is a fluff. The girl I'm talking about now is a person that is starting to be important for me. I think differently about her than when I started this thread. I have a crush on her.

I'm not the inventor of the stupid idea that at 19 or 20 we all choose somebody for the rest of our lives and never fall in love again. The standard is that you don't. And if you do, everybody starts picking at you as if you have a strange disease. 'Dude, don't have emotions! Stick to the standard!' Not living by the standard is called 'destruction'. But why is it that almost every book, theater play, movie and song is about this problem? Are these freak shows? Or might it be the case that human beings, by nature, are not built for this standard?

Anyway, Pickup Truck, your remarks about rejection and mis-interpretation are my real scares. You're absolutely right that I could loose a lot and have nothing in return. That is why I want to know how I can be sure about the IOI's. How do I prevent rejection, in other words, how do I know when I can go for a certain close? If the close is not certain, I won't go for it. But at the same time, I don't want to miss opportunities and loose her. How do I do that?

I wasn't putting you down, I was pointing out that was the wrong behaviour. If you're thinking "That will cost you a kiss on the cheek" is a good follow up to pulling some strings for her, then you're in the wrong mindset, IMO.

Personally I think the way it goes is you be as attractive as you can be, and then she's dying to do more things with you, and then you start behaving like a boyfriend, with your body language and tone of voice.

Although you have the whole "being married" thing - what kind of girl would do stuff with a guy behind his wife's back?

I don't feel pulled down, honestly. Everything I read about AFC's is what I've always been. I don't care to say that here because I'm anonymous (AA: anonymous AFC's ) Now my social status has changed, my hair is going interestingly grey (ish), I get the attention from women I never got. But I still jump through hoops for them. This could be me: http://www.pickupguide.com/how-not-to-do-a-pickup

I master most of the techniques of being attractive by nature though, but I don't dare to close. Being married is an obstacle though, because you can loose a lot. It also narrows the choice because you also have to find out if they're open minded enough to do it with a married guy. I've had a few affairs but with girls who closed me instead of the other way around.
I got that from the rocks and gold theory http://www.pickupguide.com/relationship ... s-and-gold. And of cause I would have sayed that as a joke, just to see how she would have reacted.

I decided to play it not too fast. Be attractive, build trust and behave like her boyfriend. All the indications are in the right direction. Today she made at least 5 intense eye contacts of 4-5 seconds. She leans towards me when we talk. She laughs at everything I say (provided that I mean it funny ).

Meanwhile I study like mad on the PUA techniques and practice them on other women. I have a lunch date with the HB8 account manager, in a hotel of all places, with hints that we might rent a room! I can arrange a date with the Playmate again (never touched her, I only jumped through hoops for her). I've got some 5 more HB6-HB10's ranging from 20-36 y.o. with serious IOI's. I'll practice. When I feel comfortable with the techniques, I'll try them on my 'target'. I'll keep you posted.