ok. That makes a lot more sense. I wasn't trying to compare myself to AFCs. I'm more interested in the success rates of other PUAs. Some guys want to get married and be monogamous. Some guys find that "one" early in life and don't ever want to lose it. So it makes sense to me that the "average" for men is quite low. But what about PUAs?

Does anyone know of men who have been PUAs their whole lives? Veterans that have f-closed literally hundreds of women?

A few middle-aged, gay friends of mine have f-closed well over a couple hundred men, but then again, they're going to gay sex parties weekly here in NYC. It's not uncommon for them to have sex with several men in one night.... Added up over 25 years and you're talking three or four hundred easily. I'm so jealous!

But can you recall every single girl from memory without referring to your log/journal you made of every single girl you had sex with? That part I doubt. Having material to refer to makes it a lot easier to recall all 98 girls.

I have no doubt for PUA's that only want to hook up the number of partners is higher than that of the average. But as I mentioned before you are not going to get any honesty nor reliable number here.

that's actually creepy....

you put way too much emphasis on sex dude...

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Dear KristallNachte,

Maybe to you it is creepy, but what I find creepy is having made over 1,500 posts on MPUAF in less than 8 months, as you have done... you must have a lot of time on your hands sitting around on an military base in Nowhereville, America. I can imagine you don't get much play out there.... so I guess that is why you sit around all day talking trash on MPUAF.

Yes, I've read some of your other posts KristallNachte....you belittle everyone else for their efforts and / or success, yet don't have any for yourself. Also, most of your posts are mean-spirited and reek of bitterness. I guess it hurts you that others have been so successful while you languish on a Marine base in bumfuck North Carolina! I'm sure the place is just crawling with babes, right? I feel sorry you bro.

As for me, I'm actually out there putting the game into practice. I live in NYC where I am literally surrounded by the most beautiful women in the world. I do well for myself and I wish others success too. I welcome legitimate, constructive criticism, but I don't need your comments KristallNachte, nor do I find any value in them. You simply derive your sense of self-worth from belittling others... A PUA would say that you're AMOGing me... but what do you get out of it.... there are no HB here to impress.... oh yeh, I see, self-esteem... so lame. Why do I always see this coming from soldiers? Oh well, it's you who loses out in the end. Happy hunting!

Of course not from memory... that's why I keep the journal! These are some of my best and most exciting memories of my life! I want to make sure I remember everything, which is why I keep a journal, take photos, make videos, etc... just like I do with all aspects of my life.

But what has that got to do with anything? Who can remember that much? Not me.

My basic argument still stands: if you haven't been with a lot of women, then you cannot call yourself a MPUA, a PUA or any type of authority figure on seduction. There is a direct, causal relationship between your PUA skills and the number of sexual partners you will have. No MPUA has been with just a few girls... men do not get into the PUA lifestyle because they're looking to meet a nice girl. Who are you kidding? Getting a kiss or a HB's phone number is not success... it's just getting a number or a kiss!

Why would you study seduction if you're interested in a relationship? If you have to seduce someone into liking you as a person, then they are going to be really disappointed (as are you) when they find out who you really are. Then you'll be alone, and back to square one.

If you got into the PUA lifestyle to boost your self-esteem, there a million other easier, better and more constructive ways of doing it.

So my questions isn't whether MPUA have a lot of sexual partners, it's self-evident that they do. Rather, my questions is how much constitutes "a lot" and therefore a Master or Authority PUA? My number is 98 at age 29 (Quality was all HB of at least a 6 rating, my average is probably an 8 ), but I don't feel like I'm a master or authority figure by any means. So what is then?

um....this year is 2010 actually...not 2009...

and i'm simply stating, putting such a huge focus on sex is most likely limiting your overall success. If you have trouble having fun with a girl with your clothes on, you probably have issues.

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1. Your sex journal, videotaping, etc. is kind of creepy.

2. You have an awful attitude. The idea that you trick women into fucking you by hiding your "real" self is NOT the point of becoming an mPUA. Your emphasis on having so many partners shows to me that you care more about the number and not enough about the actual REAL PEOPLE that you're making a physical and emotional connection with.

I would honestly say that the greatest mPUA would only need to master the art with a few hundred women max and then be able to pick out the highest quality ones and find a true soulmate from those, a la AFC Adam. If you happen to do that within 20 or 30, then good on you, I see no reason to care about a number at all.*

* as long as it's more than 0

It's called voyeurism and exhibitionism... and it's not creepy, it's just not your cup of tea. What if I called what you were into creepy? Right, I'm sure you're just a normal guy, nothing weird about you... just people who aren't like you, right? Save your judgemnetal attitude for your bible study group. Further, if it's so creepy then I guess the HBs are creepy too because they're all well aware and actually like the idea of being recorded... and then watching it later while we fuck some more.

Also, did you actually read my post? I said that having to trick or pretend is lame and that it defeats the purpose.... duh... read the post again... you only agreed with what I said.

And I am not interested in making an emotional connection with some ditzy HB I met at a club.... are you kidding me? While you may be content to sit home alone and masturbate on a Saturday night, waiting for that special someone, I'd rather go out and get laid... and guess what, a lot of women out there feel the same way, and they want men that aren't going to try to "emotionally connect" with them.... but you can have your moral superiority and false sense of self-righteousness.... just leave the HBs to me. Because as Style says in The Game, if you're not going to fuck them, someone else will.... that someone will be me!

Limiting my overall success? Who said I wasn't successful? I'm very successful by my own standards. I just don't call myself a "Master" PUA or some sort of authority figure on the matter. That is why I'm questioning the credibility of these so called "masters." How can yo really be a master with just 20 notches on your belt... I had that many by the time I was 19... let's be realistic here.

And you seem to be confused (again) Kristallnachte, we're not talking about having platonic fun with women. Why are you changing the subject? This is a forum about the women I want to sleep with and/or date, not platonic friends. So stick to the subject matter, it's not that difficult... or are you looking for ways to AMOG me with your pathetic attempt at an interpersonal neg?

Really, KristallNachte, you don't contribute anything to this forum, just a bunch of trash talking... and it's sooooo lame... get a life for serious...

p.s. what's up with your name? Are you an anti-semite or something? Yes, I speak German.

Limiting my overall success? Who said I wasn't successful? I'm very successful by my own standards. I just don't call myself a "Master" PUA or some sort of authority figure on the matter. That is why I'm questioning the credibility of these so called "masters." How can yo really be a master with just 20 notches on your belt... I had that many by the time I was 19... let's be realistic here.

And you seem to be confused (again) Kristallnachte, we're not talking about having platonic fun with women. Why are you changing the subject? This is a forum about the women I want to sleep with and/or date, not platonic friends. So stick to the subject matter, it's not that difficult... or are you looking for ways to AMOG me with your pathetic attempt at an interpersonal neg?

Really, KristallNachte, you don't contribute anything to this forum, just a bunch of trash talking... and it's sooooo lame... get a life for serious...

p.s. what's up with your name? Are you an anti-semite or something? Yes, I speak German.

if you spent time with women, you'd find the relationships better if the line blurs.

but why are you trying to make this into like a smear campaign? like saying i'm just trying to AMOG you and that I'm pathetic?

We're simply pointing out you have some kind of weird attachment to having sex, as well as the fact you're misguided by what PU is.

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I'd say the rule of thumb is this:

If you have slept with more people than your age in years, that's a lot.

Not to say that a lot is a bad thing. Whether your number is 2 or 200, as long as you're having lots of safe, great sex - I don't see either as a negative or an indicator of your PUA status.

But personally, I'm a bit skeeved by guys who have has sex with more than 50 women. I wouldn't date one if I knew their number was that high.

Dezzyquinn, you need to adjust your attitude, both toward pickup and Kristalnachte. Nobody in this thread has attacked you, yet you continue to allow your ego to get in the way and lash out defensively at people who are offering you their opinions on the question you asked. For that reason, and because it has completely abandoned its original purpose, I'm locking this thread.

Please read the forum rules before posting again.

Your boy,
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