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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:48 am 
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Urgent: I have committed a big fuck-up!

Background of the situation: I met this girl at a dorm party last weekend. She's HB8, in my opinion. She's quite smart and proper and obviously lacks a sense of humor, I'll explain why in a minute. She figured out my "number 1-10" routine was a set up because all numbers pretty much converge to one ending most of the times.

Anyway, so I failed to #-close that night because I kind of chickened out. But I did DHV'd and teased her a lot, built some initial attraction.

Then everything turned 360 degree when the following situation happened.

Since she and I are in the same summer program and we barely have 9 days left before we each have to go back to school. So this afternoon I decided to use my Facebook tactic to get her #. I sent her this opener that I had learned from Race de Priest (supposedly, he is releasing this online dating mastery product today):

"Subject: I was wondering??
Message: I know I'm moving kind of fast but since we're both fans of dancing, we're both high-spirited, and we're both in [name of our program], the world's best exclusive high-profile dating venue (said our program's President), I think we're soulmates. Will u marry me?"

Then an hour after I had sent her that message, I accidentally bumped into her on the bus. We had ten minutes of chatting and building comfort. I finally #-closed her, after some mild resistance and shit test from her: "Why do u want to get my # when we only have 9 days left here?" I broke her defense down by saying this (and I think this is the reason for the FAILURE): "Don't worry, I will only call u like 25 times a day, once every hour." Of course I said it tongue-in-cheek but she took it seriously. I could tell by the way she responds to it.

Then 3 hours after that, she read my message on Facebook and she replied:
"No. Lose my number. Do not ever contact me again. Thanks. Have a nice night."

How do I recover from this situation now? How do I reply to her? On Facebook? What's the best thing to do in this case? Is it forgetting about her and moving on? I still have at least 4 other targets so I don't mind having to cut loose one.

I think I fucked it up big time. I should have used a field-tested opener instead of trying a double-edged opener?

Thanks a lot, guys!


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Urgent: I have committed a big fuck-up!

Background of the situation: I met this girl at a dorm party last weekend. She's HB8, in my opinion. She's quite smart and proper and obviously lacks a sense of humor, I'll explain why in a minute. She figured out my "number 1-10" routine was a set up because all numbers pretty much converge to one ending most of the times.

Anyway, so I failed to #-close that night because I kind of chickened out. But I did DHV'd and teased her a lot, built some initial attraction.

Then everything turned 360 degree when the following situation happened.

Since she and I are in the same summer program and we barely have 9 days left before we each have to go back to school. So this afternoon I decided to use my Facebook tactic to get her #. I sent her this opener that I had learned from Race de Priest (supposedly, he is releasing this online dating mastery product today):

"Subject: I was wondering??
Message: I know I'm moving kind of fast but since we're both fans of dancing, we're both high-spirited, and we're both in [name of our program], the world's best exclusive high-profile dating venue (said our program's President), I think we're soulmates. Will u marry me?"

Then an hour after I had sent her that message, I accidentally bumped into her on the bus. We had ten minutes of chatting and building comfort. I finally #-closed her, after some mild resistance and shit test from her: "Why do u want to get my # when we only have 9 days left here?" I broke her defense down by saying this (and I think this is the reason for the FAILURE): "Don't worry, I will only call u like 25 times a day, once every hour." Of course I said it tongue-in-cheek but she took it seriously. I could tell by the way she responds to it.

Then 3 hours after that, she read my message on Facebook and she replied:
"No. Lose my number. Do not ever contact me again. Thanks. Have a nice night."

How do I recover from this situation now? How do I reply to her? On Facebook? What's the best thing to do in this case? Is it forgetting about her and moving on? I still have at least 4 other targets so I don't mind having to cut loose one.

I think I fucked it up big time. I should have used a field-tested opener instead of trying a double-edged opener?

Thanks a lot, guys!
You forgot the fact that girls can read if ur being natural or not? There's a difference between what you actually say and conveying the right vibes. Apparently, you didn't catch on.

LIke you said, she seemed smart. Because of this, she got on to your game.

And it became even more obvious when she asked you "why you needed her number" and you replied with a fricken "pick up line" LOL (line right out from the book).

So that's why she responded to ur email and said "Don't bother her again". She knows that you are going to waste her time.

Girls don't want to deal with fakers. Well not necessarily fakers. Just that you didn't really have your game straight, so the fakeness was not compensated.

I suggest you apologize to this girl. Tell her the truth. Tell her that you were actually interested in her and wants to get to know her better, because this will allow her to see the real you. The real product that she will want to invest in.

I think not being yourself is even worst than applying the techniques, because being yourself is what allows people to want to "begin" to want to invest in you.

Cheers bro. Sry about some of my language above LOL, kinda wrote this in the spurt of the moment.

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We all fuck up sometimes. Sometimes we can't take it back.
This is a hard one.
I know pua teaches you not to lie, but honestly I would have just said that one of my dumb ass friends logged on to my facebook and started sending messages to random chicks. Though I don't know if that excuse would fly because you had to search for her to add her. Maybe say a dumb ass friend gave you some bad advice and a stupid joke. I dunno.
Maybe just apologize and see how she reacts. I dunno. It's going to be hard since you only have a few days left together anyway.


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We all fuck up sometimes. Sometimes we can't take it back.
This is a hard one.
I know pua teaches you not to lie, but honestly I would have just said that one of my dumb ass friends logged on to my facebook and started sending messages to random chicks. Though I don't know if that excuse would fly because you had to search for her to add her. Maybe say a dumb ass friend gave you some bad advice and a stupid joke. I dunno.
Maybe just apologize and see how she reacts. I dunno. It's going to be hard since you only have a few days left together anyway.
Yes. I agree with you. If I was in his situation. I would definitely apologize, but probably not make any excuses (I think this girl is hella smart from his description; and trying anything else, she will smelled the bs 1000 miles away). Just genuinely apologize. The least you can do is "let her know that her time was not wasted, and your feelings were real," and that it was lucky to have met each other (even though it didn't turn out exactly the way you have hoped it to; and that your inexperience is to blame; and that if possible, you want to sincerely apologize and let her know that "she is indeed something special"(i bet right now, she feels pissed and is a little sad ").

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Your facebook message was not even funny, it was creepy (and way too long).

As for the number close...when she asked why you want the number, and knowing this girl has a fragile sense of humour and probaly reacts a bit more to the genuine approach, u could have just said 'to stay in touch' with a genuine smile.

If she STILL resisted, then you could have done the 'Cummon i'll only call you 25 times a day...'.

To be honest though this girl doesnt sound like much fun!

I would just facebok her (or text her) and say 'really sorry if i hit a nerve, i was just playing with you and trying to have fun. let me make it up to you...'

If you have half a chance she will respond with 'how?'

If you have no chance, she will not respond.


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You forgot the fact that girls can read if ur being natural or not? There's a difference between what you actually say and conveying the right vibes. Apparently, you didn't catch on.

LIke you said, she seemed smart. Because of this, she got on to your game.

And it became even more obvious when she asked you "why you needed her number" and you replied with a fricken "pick up line" LOL (line right out from the book).

So that's why she responded to ur email and said "Don't bother her again". She knows that you are going to waste her time.

Girls don't want to deal with fakers. Well not necessarily fakers. Just that you didn't really have your game straight, so the fakeness was not compensated.

I suggest you apologize to this girl. Tell her the truth. Tell her that you were actually interested in her and wants to get to know her better, because this will allow her to see the real you. The real product that she will want to invest in.

I think not being yourself is even worst than applying the techniques, because being yourself is what allows people to want to "begin" to want to invest in you.

Cheers bro. Sry about some of my language above LOL, kinda wrote this in the spurt of the moment.
Thanks for the straightforward answer, openMinded. No offense taken. I should have noticed that and acted more genuine towards her as opposed to being CF with a girl who does not have a good sense of humour.
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We all fuck up sometimes. Sometimes we can't take it back.
This is a hard one.
I know pua teaches you not to lie, but honestly I would have just said that one of my dumb ass friends logged on to my facebook and started sending messages to random chicks. Though I don't know if that excuse would fly because you had to search for her to add her. Maybe say a dumb ass friend gave you some bad advice and a stupid joke. I dunno.
Maybe just apologize and see how she reacts. I dunno. It's going to be hard since you only have a few days left together anyway.
Kalel, I don't think making excuse as a reply is going to work with her because I intentionally sent her the message after she had added me as a friend on Facebook. Besides, I personalized the message by intertwining her personalities in my message so she will see through it right away.
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Your facebook message was not even funny, it was creepy (and way too long).

As for the number close...when she asked why you want the number, and knowing this girl has a fragile sense of humour and probaly reacts a bit more to the genuine approach, u could have just said 'to stay in touch' with a genuine smile.

If she STILL resisted, then you could have done the 'Cummon i'll only call you 25 times a day...'.

To be honest though this girl doesnt sound like much fun!

I would just facebok her (or text her) and say 'really sorry if i hit a nerve, i was just playing with you and trying to have fun. let me make it up to you...'

If you have half a chance she will respond with 'how?'

If you have no chance, she will not respond.
Vision,
I thought the opener was pretty funny when I read it in Race's video. Anyway, I will take your advice. I'm going to send her a message on Facebook.


Guys, do you think that this message to her on FB would work:
"I'm genuinely sorry. I just want to let you know that your time was not wasted and I could feel that we had a special connection, like a nice friend. Besides, I'm not going to get married until I'm 27.5+, haha. So let me make it up to you. If not then I hope we can still be friends."

What do you think? I don't want to sound too AFC or needy, hence I included "nice friend" in there. Let me know soon so I can reply to her today.


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Guys, do you think that this message to her on FB would work:
"I'm genuinely sorry. I just want to let you know that your time was not wasted and I could feel that we had a special connection, like a nice friend. Besides, I'm not going to get married until I'm 27.5+, haha. So let me make it up to you. If not then I hope we can still be friends."

What do you think? I don't want to sound too AFC or needy, hence I included "nice friend" in there. Let me know soon so I can reply to her today.

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really sorry if i hit a nerve, i was just playing with you and trying to have fun. let me make it up to you...'
This is fine.
  • Why would you want to be her "nice friend"? You tell her that and thats all your gonna get! That comes across as you "LJBF"ing her! :O

    Drop the marriage joke. She didnt find it funny the first time, its not gonna be funny the second.

    Dont say "If not then I hope we can still be friends" It comes across as needy, AFC. Like, you want/need her in your life. Your attitude should be "Fuck it, Im the prize, your loss." If she's still part of your social circle at the end of it then thats a bonus for you.
IF she doesnt respond, move on, dont chase. :D


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 Post subject: Drop and move on?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:44 am 
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I used Vision's suggested message to reply to her. This is what I got back from her:
"No, I'm good. Thanks anyway. Take care."

Does it mean game over? What should I do now? Drop and move on?

Thanks again, guys!


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Oh crap, I wished I have replied to this message sooner.

You should have just used the one you were about to use.

"you're time was not wasted. Let's be friends etc"

Because at least you will still have a chance if you say let's be friends.

Being friend is less than being bf/gf. Friend is the most you can ask for at that point.

By not stating your intentions, obviously, she's gonna think "what' does he want now?" and the answers in her mind "He wants another chance at asking me out" . Now this is what we call needy, because it shows that you don't know when to quit and the reality of the situation. Again, this only downgrades your value.

I think that if you used the one you were about to use. The genuine one, you would have gotten a chance.

Now I really don't know what you can do.

However, if you guys did have some previous connection. LIke a great time together or something, she may remember them, and place your and her value for a new relationship on this.

You can say "Thanks. And I wished you the best too. I am really sorry how everything turned out. I think you are really an awesome girl. n you know "guys thing"..."

Then if you have a chance again "she ll respond" if not . She ll just ignore.

Then what you have to do next is "prove to her your interest".

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I accidentally bumped into her while walking an hour ago. We briefly made eye contact for one second but neither of us said anything!

What should I say next time I bump into her?


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I accidentally bumped into her while walking an hour ago. We briefly made eye contact for one second but neither of us said anything!

What should I say next time I bump into her?
Say nothing. just smile at her genuinely at her. then walk away. then build from there. 1 step at a time.

NOTE: smile so that it is a smile she will engrave in her memory . A Deep warm smile. with some HOPE and VALUE attached.

Actually. You can ask her how she's doing. n if she wants to meet up later .

Just do something that captures her interest again and sees value in you. SOmething she ll want to invest in.

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Kalel, I don't think making excuse as a reply is going to work with her because I intentionally sent her the message after she had added me as a friend on Facebook. Besides, I personalized the message by intertwining her personalities in my message so she will see through it right away.
Yeah I know my advice sucked, but your story reminded my of this funny pic on college humor, and that really influenced my advice. Sorry.

http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1935049


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Move on mate.

There is only one thing i would do from this point onwards...game her indirectly in some social situation by giving plenty of other girls a good time in front of her. Be the life of the party and show her that other women want your beef and find you entertaining and awesome. This may switch it up a notch for her but other than that, going direct right now is just going to come across as you being pushy and possibly even stalkerish.

If she ever contacts you again on facebook or texts you, bingo.


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I sent this back to her as my reply:
"Thanks. I wish you all the best too. I am really sorry how everything turned out. I think you're a cool and down-to-earth lady. And I guess I did prove my hypothesis about u, after all... at a cost."

The hypothesis that I'm referring to is an inside joke I made with her when I first met her. Something along the line of: Michigan girl = not dateable! And cost = losing her friendship.

So let's see if she responds. At this point I personally think it's game over, or even if she agrees that we can be friends again, it'll be awkward for the both of us.

Thanks guys, again. I'll keep you posted if she replies.


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