ok, this is a sticking point for me, so it's something I'm trying to improve drastically;

So today I challenged myself to open at least 1 HB today for Day Game, I know that sounds like it's not enough, but baby steps, tomorrow it's 2, Thursday=3 and so on. Anyway, I was at work(Work Security in a Mall) and there was this HB6.5 outside smoking so:

I approached her, stopped along side her as if to look into the street

Opened over Shoulder, Noticed a Tattoo on her hand and decided to try a opener

ME: "Hi, thats a nice tattoo on your hand, what is it?"

HER: "Oh, it's a Butterfly"

ME: "Ah, cool, my sister has a butterfly tattoo, it's on her foot, weird thing is, it's upside down, I mean for her looking down at it from her perspective, its facing the right way, but for anyone looking at it, it's the wrong way up"

HER: "wow(small laugh) that is weird, this is only one of mine, plan on getting a few more,"

ME: "Cool, I only have the one right now, but got a whole plan though out for the rest, know where there going and everything"

HER: "Cool, what is the one you have now"(IOI?)

(Show the tat on my forearm)

HER: "That's nice, what are the others you're getting"

ME: "Well"(Go through the list that I know very well)

HER: "Well, there certinally different"(At this point I crossed my arms and looked away into the road)

ME: "I could use a opinion however, the sleeve ones going down my arm, should I get them in colour or B&W?"

HER: "Definatly Colour(with a nice smile), wel I gotta go, bye"

ME: "Yea, see ya"


Definatly harder than I thought to start, got comfortable quick, but I do need to speak louder and clearer and feel like I needed to change the thread at one point, but couldent see a chace to do that(I'll put that down to inexperience I think)

any feedback?

It’s so-so... The ""Well"(Go through the list that I know very well)"... isn’t so good if it is a long list... It might get boring... but then again maybe not, depends if she is proper into tattoos i am not, so if someone started giving me a whole long list, even if i asked what tattoos... it would make me switch me off big time! In such instance would give insincere ok acknowledgment... Or make my excuses to go....

At the well point, something like “well a {star} and a few others, i wont bore you with the whole list hahaha, so what are you doing in {insert area} today”

Defiantly a good first approach, frankly far better than my first ever approach a few months back... certainly better than my second to last approach today anyway... in which she told me to "go away please!" that’s what you get for turning a corner to continue taking to a girl.... hahaha

The way i see it is, approaches where you didn’t get the number or she is slightly rude to you are educational and get you closer to your goal of meeting that amazingly hot girl, who you want to spend time with... like the cold caller, its basically a numbers game, like the cold caller who phones hundreds of people, every time he is rejected he gets closer to making a sale.

Let’s forget the number aspect for a second, because frankly a number means very little, me, you and probably even my cat can get any girls number anytime, just be like "i am waiting for an important call but my phone signal keeps playing up can you do me a massive favour and call my phone..." (Credit Adam Lyons for the idea, you can find his video with his wording on YouTube) and most times she will phone your phone... But then if you text her or call her later is she going to flake, well i would say most, if not all of the time, she will.

Of course you want to get Numbers where you can but you sole point of the interaction shouldn’t be to get numbers, the point of the interaction should be to have fun and i stick to that, like with a hot girl i approached today, she said "no thanks" or something i replied with something like "why me... i want to marry you... will you marry me" (i cannot remember my exact wording but something along those lines!) or this married hb8-9 i approached, opened her, sweet reply, transitioned into the "so what are you doing in {insert area} today” she said she was meeting someone, i was like "Your boyfreind ?" she replied "Husband".. i then made a joke, about if she didnt have a husband it would be me and her! [credits to Sasha&Marcus for the idea] she replied yes, we high fived, i almost got a hug, (but she was rushing up this road to meet that husband of hers!) both these examples i give you from today i did becuase they gave me personal amusement.. as long as you have had fun you have learnt something, gained more confidence and HAD FUN, You made some girls life a little better (this last point applies especially to going direct), like the married hb, i think she had been a little upset erlier, so some stranger, complmenting & joking about with her in the street probably improved her evening...

Ultimatly You learn via repetition, you gain competence, once you have competence you feel confidence, a few months ago, i would wonder around town and not approach a single girl or the odd one girl, by actually aproaching girls, , i got confidence to go indirect (yes even the excuse me, do you know where startbucks is line!) and then by going indirect i got confidence to try direct, which then gave me confidence to say whatever random stuff comes into my head... like the marry me I said today!..

ok, well that list wasn't some long monotonal list, it ws more what and where I'm having and why, was only a quick 2 min section. But yea, I see your point, slowly I'm gaining confidence aswell as reciting and memorising openers and stories, threads and DHV/negs, alot to learn but I am working on the structure of it now, going really well, incredibly confident that I can do this and so far the improvement is amazing, not just on day game, but my night game(which before I read the game) was so-so, but when I used some of Mystery's stuff, it got me a chance to kiss-close and number close 2 diferent girls in the same night.


I'm getting there It's working!

Thanks for that btw, great help

Alright my man we are going to help you get past this sticking point, so basically it sounds like you opened fine but then kind of got stuck.

I'll give you feedback on this specific scenario and hope you can extract the advice and use it in other attempts.
(First off being a mall security guard you can open anyone you want just by saying something like "I am going to need to ask you to calm down" even if they are reading a book it will be funny. Like it or not you are going to have to swing this to your advantage because wearing the uniform comming in is a DLV but you can get over this hurdle by being funny about it.

The thing about your sister was fine.

Asking what is the one you have now is not a solid IOI but asking about the ones you are going to get is, you should have made her guess where you are going to get them and keep saying no untill she says your ass and be like "Excuse me we just met you need to buy me a few drinks before you start talking like that"

You ended up pounding one topic (Tattoos into the ground) You need to multi-Thread with your conversation even if this means getting canned routines to get you started.

Anyways from the material you put out the number close wasn't coming so rather than focus on how you could have got your number you need to focus on the material you need to get to the point where you can ask for her number.

Happy Hunting,

-GuessAgain

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Ok, taken all advice on board and attempting to remember it and implement it, check out my 2nd day opener topic aswell, would love your opinion on how I improved and what else I can do

Thanks again

i never let a tattooed HB pass without approaching. tattoos are great conversation pieces. great way to elicit value when listening and asking the meanings. but most important to me is the KINO.

I do a kino opener with tattoo HB's. it's weird. u only need to see a tattoo with ur eyes, but i ALWAYS rub a tattoo gently with my fingers. and i continue rubbing as she tells me abt it. often time, tatoo convos lead to her showing the "hidden" tats. i rub those too

plus i think it often makes it look like ur more genuinely interested in the tat...little does she know, ur just trying to cop a feel

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dont knwo if anyone said this, but plain and simply, use the tatoo to neg the girl in a jokey way. u being a security guard, theres a natural preconception that shell have about security guards followign rules and not beign allowed to hit on girls, but the reason she walked away is cause she took u as someone just doing small talk. crossing ur arms and looking the other way was good, but only if you had negd her, made her laugh about that, she wud feel less awkward, and then u cud go into what she does if she goes to school blah blah.meh next time. gud luck bro

if u do decide to neg a tat, u better be careful. tattoos are permanent and often have a deeper meaning. i would advise against negging a tattoo. it's like negging a girl by telling her her nose is big.

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I used your advice about feeling tattoos today on the same girl I opened yesterday who had one on her lower back, boy did it work, almost a kiss-close not after if her boss hadn't shown up, Damn! Thanks for the feedback though peeps, really cool stuff that is so working right now, I was a skeptic until I saw it action and just went out and fucking did it, so far I'm mega impressed, carrying it on now all the way, still got a few issues like one-itis to deal with but getting there very quick
Btw can you please check out my second open, need some feedback for that aswell on where to improve

SCB, your conversation skills seem fine, you just didnt do anything to create attraction...tease her. (there were plenty opportunities to do this)

eg.

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Your opener was fine but could have been a tease from the start...

"Hi, thats a nice tattoo on your hand, what is it? ah there we go i can see it now, its either a moth, or a frog."

HER: "haha no! its a butterfly!"

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"HER: "wow(small laugh) that is weird, this is only one of mine, plan on getting a few more,"

YOU: "Let me guess, youre gona get Barbie all the way down your right arm, and Ken half naked down the left" (running your lightly down the side of each arm as you say it).

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HER "That's nice, what are the others you're getting"

YOU: "Well i had other plans but now that ive seen yours I might just get a couple of moths and frogs."

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Notice the difference? Add some fun to it...

touche on the tattoo neg....very nice!

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