Far from the point of the post but out of interest Chelios, why do you say move location once he has kissed her?

I say this because one sexual feeling is there and he has kissed her, why not push further if he's feeling it?

If he's going out for drinks, moving location can always work well, feels like your spending "more time" with her.

Has worked well for me, but I'm no pro.

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This is the reason I suspected, which is a valid one however this will help to simply fast track trust/comfort on the first few meetings, but will not necessarily help him escalate in his situation just by moving location after the kiss (unless they move it to the bedroom of course!).

HOWEVER, something that I have found that does help when moving location immediately after the first kiss (and this is kinda scientific but i notice it big time), is that the existing scene (where you kissed her) consists of 2 time frames as such. The first time frame is the time he spent with her at that bar up until the point that he kissed her (this is the time frame that you want her to forget about and leave behind as there was no kissing going down!). The 2nd time frame is the time from when he kissed her up until the time that they move location.

Moving location will now start a fresh scene whereby the entire time frame will be one whereby they have already kissed. ie. it will be more natural to kiss her again as it is now the base line, as well as add room for further transition/escalation if he wants.

This is opposed to trying to escalate too much in one scene, as this will seem like a very fast escalation in her eyes as its all happened in one location. Different locations break it up and make it feel like baby steps (which is similar concept to mini-dating as youve mentioned whereby you give her the illusion that youre spending more time with her in order to build comfort/trust fast).

Well said, but for some people that worry about tension/rejection, moving to somewhere else can benefit, as stated, can feel like something "fresh".

Johnny has the comfort of her already, go cinema, then for a drink, maybe have a plan set with her, or a meal then drink, ease yourself up by say after the meal, kiss her on the cheek, let her get a feel for you then later on move it that step further to a full on K close.

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Yep, and Johnny dont wait until the end of the night to kiss her....do it somewhere in the middle (when youre feeling it of course). What normally works well for me is...while walking from one location to the next, I say 'ok SERIOUSLY theres something ive been wanting to do all night and i cannot actually control myself anymore', grab her hand and pull her gently towards to you and kiss her. If you have enough attraction and she is ready to be kissed, she will love this. it brings a lot of passion to the table when telling her you just cant control yourself any longer and spontaneously just DO it.

Guys thank you alot.

All your replies have been helpful.

The way I see it, and someone alluded to it i think Chelios, is that leaving it too long will kinda mean friend zoning. I dont need anymore friends and, although its nice to have a whole heap of friends, I dont want any more friends

The outcome is to get it on with her, maybe a relationship, and anything else liek losing a friendship does not concern me.

I like the idea of moving away from a location mid way. The problem is her and I when we go out we dont sit next to each other we sit kinda opposite each other at first we sit far away but always get closer and closer but not close enough to kino. Shall I just sit next to her when we first go into the bar? cos THAT will definitely state my intentions right from the start - it will be different and she will wonder from the beginning.

This "date" is all or nothing and yeah i am putting pressure because, as stated, the longer i leave it the more we become friends, we lose the tension and the intensity and dont want to lose that at all.

I think ill go in confident but whereas before i wouldnt state my intentions till we are about to leave, I will be stating, without words, my intentions right from the start. her and I always seem to get something going right at the end of the night when we are about to leave and there is never enough time to work on it and progress with it - which frustrates me.

Thanks though - insightful to say the least.

I'm happy you have seen what I have in this situation Johnny, sitting next to her is a good idea, do it!

She's comfortable with you anyway, once seated and the date's in motion, do things even like, touching her leg with yours, this can build sexual feeling, let her feel your confident, then proceed. I think you have this in the bag and she's just waiting for you to do it.

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I usually give girl a necklace or put something in their room that will remind them of me. I'll be like 'everytime you see this, try not to miss me' I'll get texts from girls saying like 'I put on your necklace today, thought bout you all day! lets hang out soon'

OR

I'll tell a girl 'When you get in bed, dont miss me laying next to you.' I guess its like an NLP trick. I recently broke up a girl relationship because I said to her 'Don't think about how much better I am in bed when you fuck your bf.' She said she always pictured me when she fucked him. So she's my fuck buddy now ! Haha. Hope that helps.

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I am not thinking I have it in the bag (although thank you for the vote of confidence haha) but what I would say is that she is definitely playing hard to get (I guess she doesnt wanna come across as a slut or someone who cheats etc) and coupled with the fact that I lack a touch of confidence - it just means that I have taken way too much longer than someone such as yourself may have taken to "close the deal". I talk too much when im about to k close her andI def think that hasnt helped as it brought about hesitation. Just kiss dont think - right?

We have had a week apart, as she was on holiday, which was really needed so I can recollect my thoughts and kinda chill out over the whole thing which has helped considerably.

The break may bring you closer together, you should be able to pick up on body language anyway.

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Dude she likes you, go for it. And if you are worried about HOW to go about this....well as you mentioned previously, dont think about it too much! You've kissed girls before havent you? Nothing different here, except the fact that you are worried about screwing it up purely because of what SHE may think. Without sounding disrespectful, who the fuck cares what she thinks? Dont let this effect your behavior, its really not worth it! You are the shit, she likes you and wants to kiss you, so give her what she wants!

One thing (as I mentioned before) which is a nice touch and lets her know from the beginning of your move what is happening, is to;

- If youre both standing up, take her by the hand and draw her into you, its a lot 'smoother' than leaning all the way over in order to kiss her.

- If youre both sitting down (and make sure youre sitting next to her), put your arm around her and gently pull her in by her far shoulder. Ideally you dont want to even move your head, bring her all the way to your lips. Shows a lot of confidence and is very dominant behavior (the very least you can do is pull her to a point where she meets you half way, dont lean aaaall the way over to her without her having to move at all.

Ok so this this is getting way more technical than you ever need to know in order to kiss her, but just for future.

Do it....if she rejects you I'll send you a beer...via email.

Visionxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - im gonna hold you to that beer or plenty of em actually.

Ill see how it goes - I think I have given up caring what she thinks because she knows I wanna kiss her and she knows I want to get in her underwear. So from that perspective I dont care.

I think its more to make sure I dont get rejected. and make sure it goes to plan.
but your advice and those techniques are cool and so is everyone elses.

Thanks mate.

Ok guys

this girl and I are def goin out fri. The thing is she kinda invited her friend - best friend also. She did ask me whether I minded and that if I did mind, she would tell her friend that she will see her another time. I told her I didnt mind. Maybe I shoulda told her that I wanted to see her alone.

The reason she invited her friend, from what I gather, is that this girl is doing a big favor for my girl and my girl wanted to thank her by drinks etc.

So basically there is no chance of k closing her - unless her friend leaves early - which she might I suspect.

But by invitin her friend - does this mean that she thinks of me as a friend? Should I backtrack and tell her that I wanted to see her on her own and therefore implying that I wanted to do "stuff". Ive done it before and she didnt mind but she has gone through alot of crap this week.

Hey mate, Im kind of in a similar situation to you at the moment.

Tomorrow night Im going out with a girl Ive been friends with for a few weeks, she said she likes me BUT shes got a boyfriend. For me, tomorrow night Im going in for a kiss, if she rejects it we'll just be mates simple as.

With regard to her friend being there on your date, my advice would be be friendly to her, make both of them laugh, dance with them (if you go to a club), slowly increase how much your flirting with your girl, kiss her kneck again then go in for the KISS.

Hope everything works out for you mate.

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Nah John, she may just be bringing her friend of the reasons you stated, and because she's comfortable with you, to stay out of the friend zone, or reduce it, kino her, be funny when you feell,infront of her and the friend, show your confidence in a natural way and who knows you may K close.

Bateman as for you, risky game as she has a bf, but I like it, known her a few weeks, go for the k close as you see fit and have no regrets, you may get lucky.

I'm out with some new chick I met last week this friday, it'll be our first proper meet so let's see how it goes, already k closed her, she was attracted to me, and spoke to her yesterday, said she's looking forward to our night out.

I think I should K close her when I see fit, sure she had a few drinks, but we've exchanged a few texts and spoke on the phone since saturday (when I met her). So kind of tells me she's interested.

I haven't text non stop and only spoke once, I'd rather save more interaction and conversation for in person meets and let her wonder what I'm doing.

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