Heres one. Advice/how to escalate into this? Im listening to this David Shade Phone sex program, and he talks about how he got into this by calling women he doesnt even know *thru singles ads* and that he can quickly get them into phone sex by first building some sort of bonding connection with them first, then easily moving into phone sex.

Can this work if she sees me as a friend? this girl i havent even met yet *thru online* but says Im a friend, but i sense i could since there are times she will talk to me in bed, and i just need to escalate into that.

Wheyyyy you need to get yourself out of this friendzone crap. Can be done, but depending of how much a 'friend' she sees you, the more longer of a change in perception of you will take.


However, if this was ME in such a situation, girls usually ask if I'd like to join them, to which I'd comment on something sexual in some way shape of form.


You just have to gradually drill into them, that you are a sexual 'threat'. I like to make sure girls are aware that our connection is one of a sexual nature. If coming from a friend zone position, you will have to show her that you are a sexual guy before she believes this is anything more than her friend having pervy desire for her.

Showing her you're a sexual guy can be a veryyyy fine line between making her aware you're a very sexual guy, and sounding like 'hey women like me, i pwomise, they do '

So yeah. You DO have to be prepared to take risks though if you ever want to win anygirl.


Do you ever break rapport with her?

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yeah i did let this one fall into fz *i talked to her on the phone way too long and really didnt take her seriously at first, she used to want to hang out but i wasnt into it, but now i do*.. but i know she has a low self esteem. esp her past exs. *like she recently started liking her bff who is out of state and she jus suddenly started liking him*..

but rapport shouldnt be a problem. like the other night we where on the phone and i got into the conversation on how I like to dance.. I was just telling her how I like to lead on the dancefloor dancing with someone new, moving closer, taking her hand and moving it, bodies rubbing and how exciting it is. yadda yadda..

So i think i can def. try moving into more sexually charged conversations, just need to get the right timing to initiate, maybe she will become attracted to me.

I hope you tease her, and take the piss(harmless) out of her. If not, you should probably start.


Otherwise you are probably too 'nice' and agreeable, hence why there'd likely be a lack of attraction. Escalation breaks rapport a bit too. I like to do both, that's just me, but I find it makes everything smoother.


Or you could seriously set yourself up as a sexual threat, by saying she shouldn't meet you because of blah blah, or what you'd do to her sexually etc. And if she still calls to meet or whatever, then it's probably 'on'. But you'll have to escalate her HARD when you meet to be honest with what you said. Else it'll flop.


It sounds like you don't really have the confidence to that yet, am I correct?

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

so last night she called, i havent talked to her for weeks since she left for vacation.. we talked for a few hours BSin here and there.. she told me about this guy who lives up northern state, who she met thru aol chat years ago and he started stalking her and recently tried asking her friend info about her. I DHV the whole time, getting her to laugh about it "wow that guy is crazy he probably got all your pictures, theres better girls out there anyways." yadda yadda. She has met a few guys from the net in her past btw and i know her from the net so still think if i just get to met her in person then i can build better rapport but its hard now to get her to hang out with me because she sees me as a friend and its like talking on the phone is good enough tho she insist we will hang out some day. when we first started talking long time ago she wanted to hang out but i wasnt in the mood *financially, and didnt have the motivation at the time*

My problem was not escalating things on the phone early when i first started talking to her..

last night i made a mistake on the phone, conversation was moving at a comfortable rate, shes in her room and so am i on my bed, I figure id try what i heard on those tapes like when he initiates into phone sex, i said "Hey i wish you where here right now.." she goes "dude your scaring me".. then she hung up.. but then she called back, i pick it up while she hangs up. So i didnt bother to call back and go to sleep.

I am pretty sure she will call me back in a day or so. I just need to move this from being phone friends to seeing her in person *i dont care if its as friends, i can build escalation in person etc *

i probably need to use some NLP

last night we talked again. this time she asked me alot about me etc.. *family stuff, her comparing her childhood to mine as in who had it harder, etc* then eventually as it got late, the conversation turns into the slow "hey what are you doing?.... " "mhhmmm just laying here" mood. I just ended the conversation "im gonna let you go now". she goes "your gonna let me go?" "yeah, good night".

Perhaps i could of tried initiating or moving towards sexual escalation again? I didnt want to push for it again and creep her out.

dude, if you dont have the confidence and the ability for her to really want to be with you. then you probably dont have the ability to perform NLP effectively. Work on your other stuff first dude... and work into it.

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im just having a hard time getting her to meet up. When i ask her , she makes an excuse like "we are just friends" and how she says i scare her because i like her. im trying to destroy that.

She hasnt met me in person and i know i can destroy that image she has of me. my fault was i talked to her too long.