Ok, so im gonna start by saying i thought it went really well although i didnt get a K-close, and there is 1 problem which i shall try and resolve this weekend.

It was a holiday weekend with my mate and his family (i got invited along for free so you know.. why not) and im 17 but apparently look 19/20 so i got into clubs, but of course we had no place to take the girls back to and we couldnt stay out all night so it did get kind of awkward so when we finished we just finished.

1) So i was on the beach with my mate, i told him i was gonna talk to these girls, so i went over to them and i opened with "hey, weve got to go in a second but weve got quite a serious question for you girls, and i need a girls opinion on it... who do you think is gonna win the world cup" with a smile on my face (I KNOW ITS NOT THE BEST BUT ITS MY FIRST OPENER !) ...
They stopped, looked at each other ... looked at me... and it was a disaster! ha! they said "were german we dont speak english" i didnt want to be rude and leave straight away so i stayed for like 2 minutes in a struggling talk then i looked at my watch and said weve got to go have a nice day and left.

Ok, so it was a disaster because we couldnt really communicate... but whats your opinion on the opener, let me know...

2) I started using "Hey, are you from around here? because were trying to find some good clubs" as the next few openers...
So we went up to these 2 girls and 2 guys (yeah i dont care if you dont agree with us getting attraction from them but i wasnt aiming to leave with them it was just a test)... they were german and the 2 guys were turkish and greek but they spoke english very well...

So we started talking to all 4 of them, flirting with the girls a bit for a laugh, i got both the girls to stand infront of me and my friend with the boys being at the side and behind them without even touching them (apart from very minor kino) so we had attraction, i saw one of the guys was getting quite jelous and wanting to leave, so he said "lets go guys" but they didnt move! HA! we had them on lock, i felt bad so i said it was nice meeting you, one of the girls actually started of a secret handshake with me and we left.

I thought it went pretty well let me know what you think about that and what i couldve done if i wanted them to come with us (the guys had only met them the same day as us) or would that be wrong to you guys?

3) This went the best, we were walking along trying to find a few clubs at the beach front and ran into some guy and girl predrinking... they were just friends, i opened again with "whats the best club, etc..." they said they wernt sure but are going to a club in a bit and we should go with them. So we did, i started talking to the girl, being all cocky and cheeky she obviously picked up on this and said "your so cocky and cheeky, and how are you not taken!?!" - she kept askign how i was not taken the whole night, but i didnt reply, she also told me she was seeing someone but i didnt react to this and carried on my game.

So this is where it sort of goes down hill....

After a while she met some other guy, i wasnt sure whether she was trying to see my reaction or anything but i overheard when talking to my mate she called us annoying to this guy, so i got up said bye, shook the 2 guys hands and just said bye to her, she then grabbed me and hugged me and whispered "please dont go stay a bit longer" - UNFORTUNATELY IT BEING MY FIRST DAY GAMING AND BEING A BIT DRUNK i did.... but i just stayed talking to my friend for like 30 mins... After we got up said bye again she hugged me and whisperd into my ear "your cute, can i have your number?" (i found out earlier she lives relatively close to my home) So i gave it to her and left.

I should add its been 2 days she hasnt texted or whatever, maybe she picked up on me as a bit of a player? even though she came off as one to me....

There was a 4th couple too but they were easily a 5/6 lol, this was after clubbing i had soberd up by then and just wanted to build confidence and just test my conversational skills with just the next 2+ random girls.

Any opinions on each pick-up/conversation or whatever you want to call them will be appreciated...

So heres the problem - I find it quite hard to open to people when its not asking them about clubs, etc... and since its my area and i go out quite a lot i know everywhere AND also, being tipsy does help my out a lot because i dont even think of gaming it sort of actually came naturally...

So yeah any solutions on that would be great also...

Thanks very much for reading.

EDIT: OH yeah and also, the 3rd girl when i was talking to her and the convo sort of died (i was quite drunk at thie point) started to randomly slap my face quit hard and repeatedly i was shocked and the alcohol just made me think nothing, what the fuck was that for ? or is this HB9 mad?

Just wanted to bump this thread up i want a good few opinions on how i did and what i may need to improve on from what youve read

For starters, its not about closing the deal. It's about having fun.

About your openers, the appear to come from a little insecure man. Girls dont want that.

My all time classic is: Hi my name is Wesley, who are you? this is a line which i've field tested and doesn't need any remembering of routines or making up lines that can come out clumbsy.

So, opening naturally works best... thats what i've discovered.

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They did come out very natural and i was having a lot of fun i didnt even realise that i was gaming! hah! maybe it was because i was a bit tipsy/drunk..

But ok i shall try direct approaches next time !

I thought the world cup opener could be funny if you can point out it isn't a serious question. Maybe you could exagerate the seriousness of your question on forehand.

"... a really serious question, matter of life and death, ... Who do you think'll win the world cup (huge smile)"

Your openers aren't really that much of openers, but you are able to walk up to them, which is a positive feature.

Yeah i did kind of mess up with the openers i didnt feal comfortable opening directly as "hi, i thought you were cute" and i kind of forgot didnt know many that would fit in as it was at night at the time.

But i shall try direct openers or canned ones soon

It's normal for you to only want to talk about clubs if that's what you're comfortable talking about. The reason why you should use other openers and other techniques is because it helps you get out of your comfort zone. At first you'll be more afraid of using other openers but eventually it'll become more natural and you'll have even more control over your approach anxiety. Fear of approaching is one of the biggest set backs to a guys game, not looks or how smoothly they can talk.

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