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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:37 pm 
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Day/Night 23
Topics: StyleLife Challenge, Back to Night Game

So in my last post I critiqued the SL Challenge, but I decided to just skip that day and move on to the next one. The next day got a lot better, so I will continue doing it for now. I had to write down eight good conversational topics and then pick the two best and turn them into good stories. The two stories I have are pretty good for right now, I think I can come up with even better ones, but these will work for the time being.

I had to run to the mall yesterday and I opened two sets in the short time I was there, but after I opened both of them I realized that the girl looked much better from farther away. There is something about having weird teeth that is an instant turn off for me.

I went out last night and had a really good time. I went with a group of about 10 people, but we were all split up and at different clubs as the night went on. As I mentioned way earlier, my dancing is awful, so I just picked a spot on the dance floor and tried to get better. I actually felt like I had some rhythm last night lol. I would dance, look around me, and if a girl was close to me or making eye contact then I would try to dance with her. It worked 4 or 5 times, but that was a very low percentage and I still think it's way easier to open people off of the dance floor. But, I had fun and I feel like I got a bit better at dance game, so that's cool. I'll be going out again tonight, but I'll work on talking this time instead of dancing.

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If you write up your stories or mention your conversation topics, we may be able to fine tune them :)
Thanks for the offer Hobbit, here they are:

Story 1
Note- One of the openers I've been using is asking for something that I can buy my pregnant sister to cheer her up, because she's in the last trimester and she is uncomfortable all the time. So I think after the opener I will just say "Hey, do you have any siblings?" Whatever she answers, I will say "Has anybody ever mistaken you and your sibling as a couple?" Then I will go into this:

The craziest thing happened to my sister and I on my birthday. We went to a casino to play cards, and she was playing at a table behind me. The guy that I was sitting next to just found out it was my birthday, and my sister walked passed the table at the same time. The guy points to her and says "How would you like that to be your birthday present?" I laughed my ass off and told him it was my sister. He didn't believe me, so when she walked past again I called her over and said "Hey [Sister], this guy asked me if I would like you to be my birthday present." The look on her face told him that I wasn't lying!

Story 2
You know what's the worst feeling in the world? It's that feeling that you get when you realize something is about to go wrong, a split second before it happens. Like when your favorite sports team gives up a breakaway and you know the other team is about to score. Or the first time that I went skydiving, the instructor that I was strapped to messed up the landing. You are supposed to pull the handles that slow you down and then you gently slide on your butts, so I was waiting for it, waiting for it, and then when I was about ten feet from the ground I had the moment of truth. I realized that he screwed it up and not only were we not slowing down, but both of our weight was going to come down on my legs. That's such a horrible feeling to get!

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Topics: Being the most Alpha person in the group

Last night, my very AFC roommate and his even more AFC friend number closed two girls, and he told me that they were coming over tonight to pregame and then they were heading downtown. He invited me along, but apologized that I would be the fifth wheel. I decided to see the girls first, and if they were good targets then I would certainly come along, and I would also not be the fifth wheel. They would be the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th wheels and I would make the group revolve around me :lol: . I am not usually the AMOG, but I need practice being it, and my competition is two Saudi Arabian AFC's who can barely understand English let alone speak it. I was just hoping the targets were good looking enough to make me want to try, but I didn't have high hopes because of the aforementioned shortcomings of my roommate.

So tonight came along, and the girls strolled into our apartment. I've gotta give the guys some credit that these girls didn't flake, although I did help out with that a little bit. Their plan yesterday was to pregame at our apartment, but they sent a text this afternoon that said "Hey we're out to dinner right now and then we're heading downtown at 9:30." My roommate's friend typed out a response that said "We bought lots of alcohol already, you will come drink with us first." I stopped him quickly before he sent it and changed it to "9:30 is too early to head downtown. Come pregame at our apartment and we will head downtown at 11." She responded "OK sounds good."

So the first girl walked in and she was decent, I'd say HB6.5 girl with a good body and an okay face. Then her friend walked in...HB8.5 Egyptian goddess. This girl looks exactly like fuckin Cleopatra, with jet black hair and bright blue eyes (this combination is the ultimate for me). Sooo...target acquired.

I go take a shower while they hang out. Like I said, I'm not usually alpha but I knew this would be good practice tonight. So as soon as I got out of the shower I basically ignored the girls and talked with the guys. Then I took the lead and said "Ok, finish your drinks and we'll leave in 10 minutes. I can drive but I can't take everyone...sorry girls :) ." (There were 5 guys and 2 girls there). They laughed and warmed up to me right away. They basically started ignoring the other 4 guys and just started talking to me. Two guys decided not to go, so we had 5 of us in my car...the two guys who number closed them, the two girls, and me.

We drove downtown and the other two guys barely spoke. The kAFC (King AFC) spoke once, and he talked about how he is looking for true love and will keep the girl in his eyes and in his heart forever (no joke). He got LJBF'd before we even got out of the car. His "target" was sitting next to him, and she said "[kAFC], you are such a great FRIEND of mine, just like [Egyptian goddess]." I threw in some negs, got called rude (playfully), and was having a great conversation with the girls while we were looking for parking. And looking for parking. And looking for parking. Forever.

We looked for parking for about 45 mins. I have to wake up early tomorrow and told them all that I would only stay out til 1:30 so they have to find their own rides home if they were staying later. Well, we were still looking for parking at 12:45, so even though I was doing well with both girls, I decided to fuck it, drop them off and get back home. When I told them that, they were not happy. They realized that the fun one in the group was leaving and they would be stuck with the not-so-fun ones. They begged me to come out with them, and when I let them out of the car, the HB6.5 leaned into the front seat and kissed me on the cheek, and the Egyptian goddess made me roll down my window so she could hug me and kiss me on the cheek too.

So, my practice being the AMOG worked really well. I know what you're thinking right now..."Chopper suck it the fuck up and stay out later!!!!!!!!" But there was no end in sight to the parking search. Next time we leave after midnight, we're taking a cab for sure.

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Did you number close the egyptian, or was that not something you're supposed to do for day 24?


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Great posts!

I haven't looked at this for a week, so I just had alot of reading to do!

I really like all the advice you're getting, it's helping me out alot also.

And good luck with the Egytpian chick, she sounds HOT! I'm with you, dark hair/blue eyes is the ultimate. Keep us posted on that!

It seems like you're making great progress, with just a few hiccups here and there (some people can be such assholes!).

One thing I've really gotten out of your posts is the importance of daygame. I've only tried night so far, and quite frankly, it's not that great. It seems like there are so many opportunities missed by not day gaming.


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Great job chopper! Keep it up man! Make sure you close in all aspects. Remember that the more girls you have around you the higher your value. Get numbers and invite them out with you. Put them in the friend's zone if you don't like them (you're an alpha you can do that) and go out with them. Carry some guys along though so you have someone to leave them with when you find a target and so you don't get the whole "you're a player" accusation.

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Did you number close the egyptian, or was that not something you're supposed to do for day 24?
I'm only on day 12, I'm not allowed to number close until day 15 :lol:

I didn't number close her. It was a weird situation. My roommate went out of his way to tell me that the Egyptian was "his woman" (Arabic guys are very controlling of women, even when they hardly know them). So I decided not to step on his toes right in front of him, and I was going to isolate her from him if I saw her again. But of course there was the risk that I wouldn't see her again, so maybe I should have. Any advice on what you would have done?

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Great posts!

I haven't looked at this for a week, so I just had alot of reading to do!

I really like all the advice you're getting, it's helping me out alot also.

And good luck with the Egytpian chick, she sounds HOT! I'm with you, dark hair/blue eyes is the ultimate. Keep us posted on that!

It seems like you're making great progress, with just a few hiccups here and there (some people can be such assholes!).

One thing I've really gotten out of your posts is the importance of daygame. I've only tried night so far, and quite frankly, it's not that great. It seems like there are so many opportunities missed by not day gaming.
Thanks for the support my man. Turns out the Egyptian chick was 17, so there's no more pursuing her. I don't know how a 17 year old can be so hot lol, she could've passed for 24 easily.

Daygame is definitely valuable to me. It is easier to approach, lower energy, and easier to talk (night clubs are so loud!), so I really enjoy it. The main drawback is finding target rich environments, but I still like it better.

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Scary isn't it, the way young girls are looking and dressing lately. They always seems so much older.

You hit the nail on the head with the easier to talk during daygame. Most of the places I end up at night are loud, and I don't think screaming in someone's ear is really the best way to make any headway with someone.

That's what I liked about the karaoke places actually, it was relatively quiet in there vs. most of the other places I go that have live bands. The bands around here all like to turn it up to 11.


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I'm still AFC, moving into semi-PUAdom, so if they're into you, I'd suggest to your friends that they invite the girls over again for a movie night or some other event. Or tell your friends that you owe the girls a night out again because you couldn't do it the last time. I think this would come across more out of respect than simply you inviting the girls over without the guys knowing/approving. Then when they come over, isolate and number close. Chances are, if the girls are into you, the first question that they ask your friends when they're invited is "Is Chopper gonna be there?" but if not, make sure your friends tell the girls that it'll be the same group as last time, including you.

I don't agree with the not number closing til day 15. I think someone on here mentioned earlier that while it's a challenge, it's still something you can edit and do so as you please. In other words, it's not like you'd fail if you number close before 15. It gives you practice number closing, it gives you more women to add to your social circle, it gives you more confidence and positive outlooks, all of these options only help to increase your game and make you that much better.


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I don't agree with the not number closing til day 15. I think someone on here mentioned earlier that while it's a challenge, it's still something you can edit and do so as you please. In other words, it's not like you'd fail if you number close before 15. It gives you practice number closing, it gives you more women to add to your social circle, it gives you more confidence and positive outlooks, all of these options only help to increase your game and make you that much better.
I was joking about not being able to number close til day 15, sometimes the humor makes sense in my head but it doesn't make sense on a forum . :)

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lol np...I didn't catch that.


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Night 26
Topics: Social Invitations, Situational Openers, Not Ejecting Too Early

I was in the gym today, and I was squatting next to this guy. He came over to me and said "Hey, can you spot me on this last set?" So I spot him and we get talking a bit. I tell him that I'm in Austin on vacation for the summer, and he asks if I've experienced the night life yet. I tell him a bit of it, and he asks if I've ever heard of TC's Lounge. I hadn't, but in the end he invited me to come along with him tonight because Mondays are their best nights (blues band, dancing, soul food, etc). Sounds cool to me, so I definitely decided to go along. (Note- This place sounded really interesting to me, but even if it didn't I would've taken the invite. I heard some great advice once that said never turn down a social invitation, and I think that's really important)

So we get into the bar and I notice one thing right away...this guy is opening up a lot of sets. Usually just quick little stuff, but he is talking to a lot of people. This is cool; he is a fun,sociable guy and that's exactly what I'm trying to be. So we talk a bit more and he mentions that it's hard to talk to girls in here because it is pretty loud. I say "Yeah, I've had a lot more luck talking to girls recently during the daytime." He says "Yeah me too..." (note- still no mention of game between either of us) he continued "...I've just been going directly up to a girl and saying 'Hey I'd be kicking myself if I didn't come over and say hi to you.'"

I started cracking up once he said this, I was PUMPED that he knew about the game. So I said "Dude, you've read The Game!" He said yes, and we talked about if either of us have done more than read just that. We have. He asks if I have heard of AFC Adam. Of course. Then he said that he was in a bar a little while ago, and started talking to this really hot chick. They had a good conversation, but then she told him she was married. He was talking to fucking Amanda (Adam's wife). Through this, he met with AFC Adam and is going to intern with them at 3 of his bootcamps this year doing some behind-the-scenes work.

Wow. We just went from never having mentioned game to me being really fucking glad that this guy needed a spot in the gym. So, we start talking game a bit and he opens a few more sets. I am pretty quiet at first but his influence rubs off on me and I end up getting pretty talkative. He uses a lot of quick little situational openers and uses them very well. "Hey, what's that wine you're drinking?" "Look at that giant camera around your neck!" Etc etc. He was talking to this really tall HB (she was 6'2'') so I peeled off and opened a new set. I talked to them for about ten minutes, and since he was busy I made sure not to eject early from this set. I stayed through the awkward pauses, then re-opened when I thought of something else to say. It was great practice and something I need to do more often.

We had some great sets tonight and then we talked about them on the ride home and gave each other some good critiques. I am elated that I met this guy, and I am the first person that he knows who is actually into game, so he is pumped too. This was a very important night to the progression of my game, and the moral of the story is to be social and expand your circle at every opportunity.

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That's awesome. Good stuff bro.


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HaHa.
What a great story.


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