As I read the game and as I go out into the field (I haven't been very successful yet just one number close which was sloppy and I'll be posting right after I'm done this) I'm left wondering more and more if this pick up community has run it's course. The Game has been out for years now so there's a good deal of women out there who know what's up and have their guard up, and I just had one of my female friends who works at a popcorn stall in a mall tell me that she's had a couple guys come up to her and ask her if she knows a good men's clothing store, and has seen the same question asked a bunch of times to different girls (you know, one of the missions in the rules of the game.) Every time I approach a group It's in my head that all the girls in the group are thinking "ugh, it's another loser using the mystery method." Now I realize that thoughts aren't facts, but I can't help feeling that knowing how commercialized this community has become. Hell if it weren't commercialized I myself wouldn't even know it existed. But therein lies the problem, if it's commercialized to a level where I heard about it randomly on tv, the same must be going on for attractive women. What do you think?

I wouldnt worry about it. So she has heard about the game... Big deal. So you lose a set, big deal. NEXT!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

A couple of things I'd like to address. Thanks for bringing this up, mate. I think they trouble us all. 1) The community or the game are not going anywhere, because it's not just about a TV show, it's not about a method in particular, but it's about a WAY of life). Mystery began a revolution that keeps revolving for years now and will continue to do so, because obviously things change, but so do we adapt to the change, adopt new techniques, theorized or brought from the field already tested by people not much different from you and I. So it'd say it's very much alive and kicking.

2) Great point, so let me give you an illustration from the computer world. When computer viruses written widespread in the early 80s, they were extremely potent, because like women in the early years of the Mystery method, people didn't have an anti-virus- a protection against this new "disease." Over time, programmers developed Norton and other anti-viral software, and so did women develop techniques to keep away not from old viruses, but form people who used old lines or old ways of thinking.

Now, the good thing is that the virus writers never stopped improving their own technique by learning from the antiviral techniques developed to stop them. The same applies to our case. No matter how known this community, or our methods become, as long as we keep on bringing the game up - by modifying it, throwing things out, being creative with our stories and lines and ways, by not clinging to the old simply because that's what we've been doing for years - we have nothing to worry about.

3) A lot of girls know it, period. The worry obviously is that they know what we're up to. For example, I had the fortunate experience of seating - in a class I was auditing at a university - in front a couple. The guy brings up one of the old stories Mystery told in the early days. Suddenly the lecture hall became an even more uncomfortable place to be in when the girl stopped the guy, continued the story and asked if the guy had anything of his own to add. What a shame that was. And a very surprising, because he was a student, he had to know what plagiarism can mean for him.

Don't ever tell a story that's not your own. It's easy, it's fast, but it's also weak and you will have to face the potential embarrassment.

A lot of friends in the community were getting mad at me for teaching girls what's going on. I never stopped doing it, because when I tell them all I've got, I feel this emptiness, this vulnerability, this feeling of being exposed, of being transparent. And this need to get back forces me to come up with things much more creative and powerful. Following Bruce Lee's advice, I try to empty the cup of water, so I can get some tea.

-Stan

Well, in a way the girls are right...

It is just another loser using the Mystery method. Now dont get excited, let me explain.

We all go through that phase, we all use routines and stick to what we get taught. Until we develop our own game that is. It is perfectly normal. It is a transitional period.

So basically, before we graduate to full PUAs we are losers. But it is better to be a loser who improve than to be a loser who stand still out of fear that someone will find out that they are into girls. Which is what you risk showing.

Anyway, the graduation to PUA doesnt guarantee that you arent a loser either. You can still be. And from most peoples point of view you are. So basically, you can never protect yourself from being a loser. I define a loser as a man with no self respect and game of any kind. Another guy defines a loser as a man who doesnt know how to ride a bike or play poker. It is in the eye of the beholder...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

hey stan,

ok sorry but this annoys the hell out of me...Please don't take it as a personal thing.

1) mystery did not invent the community Ross jeffries did ( well actually de Plume did but thats really technical). Hell mystery didn't even write the VAH Lovedrop did.

Let's give credit where credit is due...to jeffries, steve picus, rasputin (aka hypnotica), formhandle, david d, TokyoPUA, David shade...and of course the gurus guru Majormark that's why we are sargin.

all the mystery did that was sooo revolutionary was teach infield bootcamps.
Granted he did do that very well.

Wanna see what all the M3 tactics and structure was based on? check out the Palo Alto videos by jefrries

on a side note i completely agree with the adopting new strategies thing.

ok done ranting.

peace
-R

I'm pretty sure David D was an AFC when he met Mystery. At least, that's how I interpreted what he was talking about when I was listening to one of his seminars online.

canned openers, canned routines, etc. are great for starting out. because im realizing the point of going canned in the beginning is most useful because it helps getting over AA. once u do canned enough, u start to see how women react to certain words, movements, vocal tones, everything! and from that, is where the learning happen. u start to replay ur interactions. u start to visualize what u can do better next time. that's when the internalizing happens. and once that starts to happen and along with more field experience, ull notice ur wit sharpening. u expect certain reactions, and know how to respond accordingly.

so to me canned material is helpful in getting past AA. without AA u can work the field. working the field will sharpen ur wit and u develop ur natural game. ur own style. but even if someone relies completely on canned (which PU forums are always coming up with new ones anyway), u gotta admit they are more skilled than 90% of every other guy out there, even tho they run a risk of blowing out a set that knows the methods. bid deal, the AFC that doesn't approach at all blows every single set every single day and night.

plus, i like to look at myslef not as an (aspiring) pick up artist, but rather a student in human behavior and social interactions. so what if its canned. the world is my own little social experiment.

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have u ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

Yeah, as I said, it is a transition... When you have gotten rid of AA you can get rid of the canned routines too. If you want to that is.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

@RockStar_dallas

It was just an example, not at all essential for the argument. But thanks a lot, next time I'll be precise with names.

lol yeah and then there was pickup magazine. wow. I feel geeky too. I was referring to ASF and it was de payne not de palmer. that was 1994 or so. incidentally i seem to remember de payne getting indited with kevin mitnick for something.

Thanks for the correction.

Stanislav

Sorry it really wasn't directed at you. I promise. I just am irritated with the mystery worship sometimes.

-R

No worries, you did say that it wasn't personal, so I took it as an opportunity to learn new names and to get to know them, so I can get an honest picture of how things actually began.

Btw, where I come from only the Hannah Montana types get to shine, a lot of talented people go unnoticed, so we never get to know them. The same thing with Kevin Mitnick, he's known as "the hacker" in many circles, but he's just a popular example for people to point to.