So he's a knob. Not all guys are like that (I'm sure you know).

Lot of waffle here for an easy concept.

Men, in olden times, wanted to control the outflow of sex. Since women "gave" sex, men tried to control the women. They defined a woman they didn't have control over as a "slut", which was derogatory, and they enhanced the image of the woman they could control.

So there's why. Good news is, it's beginning to matter less and less every day.

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He doesn't sound like much of a PUA... not sure where demeaning a girl is advocated in any PUA material!

Maybe he was just a jerk. Girls love jerks.

You have actually raised some very valid points, it is true, that some puas are effectively man whores until they meet the right girl, I cannot disagree with you on that point, however I also know for a fact that there is plenty of non-pua who are also man whores, a natural friend of mine is a good example of this.

On the topic of pua why do men become pua's ?? for me at least it is because women have been fucking with my mind and rejecting me all my life, we were all born with confidence does the baby worry about what he is doing ? Does the baby do dangerous things in the name of discovery? Along the way the journey from baby to adult, some men (like myself) get kicked in the teeth so many times we lose confidence with women, the pua helps restore that confidence and ultimately get the girl we want somewhere down the line, and by being a man whore, all we are basically doing is making up for lost time, all those times we where to scared to approach while Mr. natural is getting laid...

To be honest at the time of her being a Party girl yes she is just enjoying her youth but alas at that point she isn’t really gf material, and I am sure she is not looking for a serious long term committed relationship anyway.

An Ex-Party girl however is certainly able to be girl friend material.
We all have free will; you cannot change someone if they don’t want to be changed.

On the topic of female pua's: There is some woman pick up artists, in fact their some very forward women who effectively do this without being pua's and other women who go home with any guy, there is a different between going home with any guy and going home with the guy you want, the male pua doesn’t go home with any girl, he goes home with the girl he wants.

Also On the topic of Demeaning women NO PUA/PUA Material to the best of my knowledge advocates this; after all you should “Always leave a girl better than you found her.”

Better known as five ways to be a borderline psychotic nutcase girlfriend that you can be sure your man will tell his friends to avoid because "she's fucking nuts."

Nobody is worth this kind of obsession and all of these 'methods' are ridiculous protection mechanisms designed to save the delicate egos of people who think there is no greater travesty than to get "fucked over" from the possibility that someone might get one over on you. Who cares? Trusting someone doesn't make you an idiot, it makes you human. There are far worse fates than to have believed the best of someone and been proved wrong; never trusting anyone and dying alone and miserable being one.

Your boy,
870

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870 I know a couple of women who would play you like a flute. They would have you and 3 other dudes on the side you would know nothing about. For you to say thats psychotic behavior just shows how gullible you are.

Trust is built.... to trust a new person you've just started dating 100% is just plain stupid. You need to know what kinda of person your dealing with.
Not saying you need to apply everything i said but if you suspect something don't be an oblivious idiot when obvious foul play is going on around you.

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Do you want to speak to some of the female members like Zip or Bonita about how easy female game is?

I spent a week in budapest with Jezebel when we were dating, and she worked for every set, hell she (GOD FORBID) lost a couple of sets!

Condoms... we have moved forward, HUZZZAH!

The reason a girl will worry while she is alone is becuase of forced guilt, in the same way a member of a cult will feel guilt for blaspheming the group leader.

There is no crime committed in a girl fucking a guy, BUT she does believe that being a whore is a bad thing. And will worry about what she will think about herself.

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Ideally, as long as people are keeping it safe and consensual. There is no real reason to discourage women from sleeping with who they want to. Or praising them for getting what they want sexually. I think it does men a great injustice when we assume that woman hold all the power in the dating world.

My only real gripe is with people both male and female who sleep with people, through desperation of acceptance. But that's more to do with their stupidity than any form of sexual ethics.

Explain "female game." Perhaps they are overcomplicating things?

As Hobbit just posted:
Perhaps a cultural thing in Budapest?
So? What does that have to do with millenia old biological adaptations to make women more selective about who they sleep with?
Yes, and? We agree that a lot of the issue is social conditioning. That STILL means a woman is harder to lay than a guy. Guys don't worry about forced guilt, so they are easier.
Yes, which makes her less likely to sleep with someone. A problem guys, for the most part, do not share... which makes them easier.

A guys entire evaluation on an offer of sex will be:
1) Is she hot?
2) Is there a catch?
3) Is she hot enough I don't care about the catch?

No where in there is he worrying what his friends will think, what he will think of himself, nor is there a biological fear that he may spend the rest of his life rearing a child without a provider, or that the condom could break and he'd get pregnant. Hell, even though a condom break would mean the shared risk of child rearing men can just run from that. They do it all the time!

I agree completely, but women talk themselves out of it all the time.
Well, they pretty much do. No woman ever launched a thousand ships to get her man back!

Man.. I hate sluts. I mean I love them for a good time. but as a girlfriend, no no no. Nor as a future wife. If it was up to me, I would marry a virgin. I don't want some used tramp.
As a matter of fact, I don't want my children to come out of a birthcanal where 5+ man have been pounding through.

I don't want the future wife of my children to kiss my children to sleep with a mouth where she sucked 20+ dicks with in her college years. Fuck that!

By the way, girls do get easier laid than man. Thats why as a man its a challenge to get laid and he is cool and girls are just easy sluts.

I respect prostitutes more than sluts, because at least they get paid and they say the truth.


Also, girls who are sluts are not as tight. They turn into size queens. Now you guys are gonna think omg he's got a small weener but no im a bigger than average.

Oh and if I will marry a wife later, why would I marry her if joe, Donald, Hank and Larry went over her? Why the fuck would I work for that skank, love her, pay her attention?
What if she longs back to the days that she got pounded really hard by "those guys back in the days" and not tell me about it. Dreaming about it while im sleeping next to her in a house I paid for that skank
I would feel utterly beta, I might even be raising Joe's children and not even know it.
Fuck that shit, no skanks for me please.

Hugh heffner is a smart man, keep the roulette going. Kick the skanks out as their tits start to hang. Skanks are disposable anyway.

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Because girls don't like sex.. Yeah RIGHT!
Why else do you think girls have P*ssies

Seriously, what are you talking about?

Do you seriously think there are that many hot girls around that havent slept with at least five men??? Dude, reality check!

I sure hope that you are joking, this is disturbing...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

man shut up

I understand u think its disturbing but Im not joking
whats the point of having a relationship anyway if she fucked 20 guys before you. I wouldnt even mind if she cheated in that case.

Why would I ? Nowadays we have good protection against STD's and her pussy was already wider than a wizzards' sleeve

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Because girls don't like sex.. Yeah RIGHT!
Why else do you think girls have P*ssies

Extremely mature way of taking criticism... Nice work on that inner game there...
Really? I get the feeling that you dont understand at all.
Seriously, are you like 12 or something? So you think a girl cannot be a wonderful person and still have fucked around? We are fucking around and we are nice guys anyway. Why would anyone ever be with a PUA in that case? No I dont buy that a man fucks around and is a man but a girl does the same and she is a slut... I just dont buy it.
Pussies are made of human tissue and go back to the size they are supposed to be. Do you think your future fictive GF will have a small pussy just because you are the only one fucking her. She will get the same amount of dick, just by the same guy over and over.

Your post shows that you have a very low respect for women.

You would do well to see girls as human beings, they are actually equipped with personalities that make them more or less interesting as GFs...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Hey Ezo

Yeah Im sorry for the disrespectful shut up part, and I agree I have very low respect for women.
I can explain why here but it would take a very long depressing post. Where it comes down to is that I loved my ex gf dearly and she stepped on my heart, cheated on me while I did everything for her. Im having issues, i was very depressed, hated all women. lol have you seen that movie "I hope they serve beer in hell?" I would be that guy playing depressing videogames all day, hating all girls cuz his ex gf left him and cheated on him.

I also sincerely think that all women nowadays are sluts due to hollywood and "sex and the city".
And whether thats okay or not thats up to you to decide.

Me personally, I don't like that. But I can't change it, its reality.

I don't like sharing women.
First I saw my ex girlfriend as my girl, sweet, innocent, lovely, beautiful, smart she was my everything.
Then she fucked with some other guy, while keeping me on a leash and acting mean even though all I did was being good to her.

Now I see all girls as a "collective good". Girls are there to share. If you are alpha enough, you can get a piece of it. If not, your genes will be whiped out of evolution.
Basically you can get any girl if you are alpha enough.
that's why I think all girls are sluts. she is not your girl, if someone better comes along, they are gone.

This makes me insecure and makes me think that all girls are sluts.
Even though, I will never say this out loud in real life.

Edit: This is not true. Why does it hurt for a girl who is a virgin if you have sex with her for the first time while she has used tampons before over and over again?
same goes for your dick and a huge penis.
Once it's stretched, it won't be as tight as it used to be.

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Because girls don't like sex.. Yeah RIGHT!
Why else do you think girls have P*ssies

Good boy!

Actually, this was what I was after! The realization what all this came from. I feel for you man, I really do! It hurts like hell! But you know, are you gonna let that get the best of you or are you gonna do something about it? What that girl did to you was cruel. People shouldnt hurt each other. Cheating is another story. Not the same as having sex with a lot of people while no strings attached.

But you have choosen to step into a world where people have sex. And through PUA you will be one of them. So like it or not, you need to wake up and see the reality. People who can have sex do have sex. People who can easily find sexpartners do. The only ones who calls them sluts are the people who are lagging behind, not getting as many partners as the ones they call sluts. It is just jealousy. You would do the same if you could.

Basically, you need to treat everybody with respect. This should be your primary goal, before you learn anything at all about pickup. Not only would I sleep better at night knowing that you turn intop a good person but it will also help your game. Girls arent actually more attracted to disrespectful jerks thats a pickup myth. They are attracted to alpha males, end of story.

As for the vagina thing... The first time is special, stuff breaks. For the rest, if a girl has a lot of sex her vagina will adapt to that, but if she stops for a while it will go back. Age of course is an issue...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn