Ok, I had 1 real good approach, but this one didn't go so well... so I'ma let you know about it.

This was at the mall, and it was in some expensive at girl shoe store. I don't remember the exact words, but it when something like this....

Me - Hey, I'm looking for some shoes to get my girlfriend. I bought her this white dress, with a red trim. I need a girls opinion on what shoe to get.

Her/Me - What size is she? What kinda dress... blablabla... We went back n forth talking regular.... but after a bit.

Me - (Looks at one shoe she points out) $150! Are you kidding me? (Pretends to throw it out the store)

Her - What? You don't like her enough to spend that much money?

Me - Don't you have anything cheaper? Give me a discount b/c I'm sweet. (She said I was sweet b/c I'm buying my gf shoes... somewhere before in the plot)

Her - Alright I'll give you a 25% discount.

Ok uhh, don't remember exactly what happened... but we went back n forth for a bit... but then she points me to this gold shoe.

Her - That's a really nice one.

Me - That ugly one?? That's ugly.

Her - You think that's ugly??? (She then tells her co-employee) He thinks that ugly. (Dirty look on her face too lol)

Guy Employee - That shoe is almost sold out, we only have 4 pairs left.

My guy friend - Just bring your g/f with you so she can pick which one she likes.

Me - Naw fuck... I don't like shopping with girls... They take forever.

Her - Why don't you like shopping with girls, I would want my b/f to shop with me.

Me - Cuz they take forever... I don't like that...


So yeah... we then went back n forth a lil more, and I was like...

Me - What's your Name?

Her - TARGET

Me - Well, it was nice meeting you target.... I'l fucking...... let her know about you. (My gf)
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I got nervous at the closer... so I was just like... I'll fucking....... lol. But yea, she had this kinda weirded out look, once I said that shoe was ugly, and 'til the closer. I thought that I negged her, or something. How could I have played it better?

EDIT: One more thing, I turned my back to her a couple times to DHV. She did it to me first tho. "Here, go sit down and I'll look for osmething nice for you."

EDIT2: Last thing. Are moving targets advised not to approach. It was me n my guy friend, and we saw these 2 girls walking right passed us. All I said was, "How's it going". They looked at me and kept walking... I was like, "Good" lol. I noticed that if the target isn't moving, it's a lot easier opening with her. Not sure if that's the general rule of thumb though.

You told her you have a girlfriend? and you're buying clothes and shoes for this "girlfriend" which insinuates that the relationship is serious.
How exactly did you plan on closing this employee?

You're basically digging yourself a hole with that opener.

I've been going daygame for quite some time and I've made same mistakes as you. But I've learnt.

Firstly - change the subject...transition. She's in a fucking shoe store (working there!), she talks to customers about shoes all day - what makes you so different to any other customer? apart from saying the shoes look ugly and acting like a bit of a prick from her point of view (no offense). Absolutely nothing. Back when I was doing indirect daygame, I would walk into clothing stores and ask the girl a question, sweet - from there I just change it 'are you studying?' , 'you look like you may be European or something?' etc etc ANYTHING...as long as I don't keep talking about clothes/shoes etc.

I'll give you an awesome example. When I first started in daygame, I walked into this clothing store, and starting talking to this VERY cute employee, I was asking her for belt buckles, she basically showed me to the belt buckles, I tried talking about 'em for another minute, but she ended up leaving to serve another customer. It started well though - I smiled at her and she smiled back...and then "hey I need to find some belt buckles" and BOOM I'm just a regular customer.

Once I got pretty good at daygame, about 6 months later, by coincidence I walked into the same store, this time I don't even remember what I said, but I remember I transitioned well 'you work in a surfer store...do you actually surf?' 'no? oh that's misleading then!' etc etc. I ended up getting her number, and just out of curiosity I asked her if she remembered me from a long time ago I came in and I thought I talked to her, she said she didn't.
Because I was just another customer right?

As for how to approach girls who are walking. Personally I love approaching in shopping malls more than in streets. Because in malls you'll find that many of the girls don't have a specific plan, they are just shopping or looking around. Whereas on the street they are headed *somewhere*.
How do I approach moving girls in malls?

Firstly, I know this will sound stupid, but - stay alert.
I don't know how many times I'd only notice a girl like after she'd walked past me.

I prefer to approach girls who are headed in my direction. Why? I get to take a good look at their face, see if I'm attracted etc.. approaching girls from behind is weird to me, I've been in situations where i would approach from behind but the girl wouldn't be my type.
ALSO approaching from behind is plain stupid - it's not smooth, it's not cool. It's weird. Only people who are approaching from behind are fucking rapists or something.
By approaching from the front the girl can feel appreciated, I make eye contact and treat her as a human being. Not as someone who is above me like a goddess.

When I approach I will always turn myself to the side, make eye contact (perhaps smile) and then do my thing. As I turn I take a few steps away from her but when she starts talking I'll take a few steps in so as to stand closer. I have very good eye contact, very sexual type and I've had girls tell me when I hold their gaze it's very sexy. So to begin with I don't kino whatsoever, I'm just looking directly in the girls eyes. I will usually use my body to move her body (if I hold eye contact, and turn around as I walk past her while opening, she will turn to see what I have to say).
What I look doing is once I've reached a certain hook point, I will move her slightly away from the path of other customers (especially if its crowded). I did this once and realised how well it worked, I will usually just break my eye contact, look back, and say lets move away from the path, then I'll put my hand on her arm and she will move with me. I try not to move her too much though until I go for the instant date.

To be honest, this type of stuff is hard to explain through text and alot better shown in real life. Hope it helped a bit though!

Good info. I'll definitely keep that in mind for next time. I need a good plot though. This was my first time where I tried to be a PUA, so I just said forget it, I just wanna try it and get the feel. But next time, I'ma definitely try to plan out.

Also... by me telling her I have a g/, wouldn't that be a good thing. Showing her that I'm taken, therefore DHV?

The main thing is to go out there and try everything.
What do you mean by plot though?

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Also, other people will have different thoughts about this (especially people who aren't as direct or straightforward).
By telling her you have a girlfriend, all you're doing is throwing yourself way out of the picture. Telling someone you have a gf isn't really a DHV, heaps of people are in relationships, and it's nothing special..right? maybe if you're dating a famous actress or supermodel...THEN that could be DHV and still you shouldn't tell her that directly cause it'll look like you're bragging.

But you're approaching this girl, you should have at least partial success on your mind, thinking "I approached - check!" "I talked to her - Check!" etc.
By saying you have a girlfriend, the girl is going to lose interest, even if you are hitting on her it just conveys that you're the type of guy to chase other girls while you're already seeing one girl in a relationship.
That's what I meant by digging yourself a hole with the opener. What if she ended up liking you? you go for her number???
she'll call you out on it "what about your girlfriend?".

And you only have limited choices, one is to tell her you don't have a gf and it was all a scheme = lame.
Or you could say "what about my girlfriend?" = no girl with any standards would give you their number, let alone talk to you after that.
Or you could say "well we're just being friends, you and I...nothing is going to happen" = See through.

Everything that Vizzy said is gold. Especially the part about transitioning/reframing the conversation away from the store toward something more in favor of getting to know each other better. Remember that employees = hired guns....you are just a customer, and as employees, they are there to make money off of customers. They are easier to approach as they WANT you to approach (money!), you just need to redirect.

And don't lie. Exaggerating is fine, but lying is just gonna get you caught. If you do, your body language will communicate to the other person that something you are saying is out-of-synch, and she'll get bad vibes. Poker players call this a "tell". Being a newbie/AFC makes this geometrically worse, as you are not only nervous from working outside your comfort zone with PUA, you are still working on your overall body language. Just keep it real.

Keep working bro.

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So I can't just wave my hands and seduce her huh. lol. I'll just keep practicing. Good advice peeps.