I'm new to this stuff and interested but before I jump into the lake I want to throw out the big questions.

At the beginning of the game neils buddy is having a breakdown. Where does all this PUA stuff lead and if I want just to get a nice girl and have something deep is this the right path to take in order to find that?

I've been doing sets and tonight was actually worse than other nights. I get the openers and can gain some value there but it eventually leads to small talk and I the girl will just talk about BS stuff. this is how I handle interactions with women on any given day so it's more natural but it doesn't game well. What do you guys recommend I try besides reading and trying to compose all the random posts on different aspects of Game on this forum?


jesse

Game will get you more of every type of woman. You can get a girlfriend using it, but then you have to phase it out. Negs, freeze out, kino escalation is all passive aggressive shit and when you're in a relationship, you can just be direct and open.

I think I understand what you're saying. When you try to drop routines and shit and just use some direct game, you end up just having a lot of fluff that doesn't escalate anywhere? I have this problem occasionally and the way I solve it is with kino. Invade her personal space a little, touch her hands, things like that. This is why teaching a girl how to play pool is good game, because you can touch her in several different places without being a creep. Teach your target how to do something and go hands on.

I met this new girl for the first time Thursday and we were having a good chat, but it was all really friendly. So I negged her about how she greeted me that day, she shook my hand and I was expecting a hug. She made it up to me by giving me a hug and sat next to me. We kept our fluff talk going. I put my arm around her, placed a hand on her leg, played with her hair, pulled it a little, laid her head on my shoulder and stroked her face. We ended up making out in the coffee house like 15 year olds while people stared. The progression was totally natural and the timing on the kiss was intuitive. If there hadn't been any kino, the night probably would have ended in a handshake instead of being told a half dozen times that she wasn't going to have sex with me.

As for just talking, you'll want to direct conversation around old failed relationships and sex. Obviously, this will put her in the mindset you're interested in.

I'm new and wanted to ask. If you phase it out she may not like you? Or are you saying use the PUA skills ro get the girl and then show her the real you and hope she likes it?

Gaming is life.

I say that not as an obsessed sarger, but as a human who incorporates these ideals into every day life. It made me a more interesting person, and that more than anything else has been whats gotten me girls.

Routines, and openers are great starting points. I use canned material often in every set. So first off, I would recommend composing your own material. In every aspect, there is no such thing as COMPLETELY natural game, gambits aside, if someone asks you, "What do you do" you already have a pre-scripted answer and reason, whether you thought about it or not. We say the same things over and over again that we know get laughs, whether you know it or not. It's ALL a routine. The art of conversation is everyone's sticking point. the only way to polish is to just do it a lot. And talk a LOT.

As far as sets stalling out and not going anywhere. I agree that the way to get it out of the funk is to always be escalating. Kino, and verbally.


But the MOST important aspect of the always escalating is the scariest for all of us. And I'm talking about

TAKING RISKS.

Taking Chances. Newbies NEVER take enough chances. It's counterintuitive, because taking chances BUILDS the attraction. because it SHOWS all of the alpha qualities that girls look for.
People might feel like, "Okay I opened now.. Let me not BLOW it by getting touchy"
So what that leads to is , so you've opened, but then you show low value, by just small talking, and it will fizzle out.
If you don't ALWAYS take those risks in set, she will get bored and it will fizzle out.
You have to constantly push it. if you don't GO for it and take the risks, she will leave.
A lot of people get hung up on this, and once they get all of the IOI's in A2/A3, they freeze and want to stay there, because they are afraid that it they push it, they will get rejected..
They MIGHT actually get rejected, but if they don't take that risk, you will never achieve the goal of furthering the interaction 100% of the time.

You can achieve this by physically escalating MUCH faster than you're used to. You would be surprised how girls are more receptive to quicker escalation

In the GAME, you should NEVER just be "talking"... EVERY second, you should always be escalating in every way. Small talk about BS is unacceptable. if she starts it, change the thread, and be goofy and out of the box. Never interview her. create some interesting funny material. Watch "Comedy central presents" and steal some jokes. Fake it until you make it. just don't be the next guy asking her what she does, where she's from, what college she went to, how many siblings she has, blah blah blah blah... boring...

Be interesting, and always take risks... Start by being more touchy.

I would invest in some PUA courses
I like Magic Bullets, and Love Systems
and for inner game David Deangelo.

Thats a lot. should keep you busy.

_________________
As a PUA, you must leave the girl better off than when you found her

Ohhh... and as far as Mystery having a nervous break-down,

He is clinically depressed.. It didn't have anything to do with gaming.

People find, sex sex sex sex,

People find, Girlfriends

and people find WIVES.

you can use it for whatever you want to use it for. and it works equally well for all of them i think.

_________________
As a PUA, you must leave the girl better off than when you found her

But you have to be yourself after u get the number or the 2nd time you meet if you are looking for a wife or a long team thing as your be living a lie and won't be fully happy! Just what I think.

PUA skills aren't a fancy suit you put on when you want to attract women. Game is a natural extension of your own personality that you exercise when you want to get a girl's attention and physically escalate with her. If you are at the point where you think that a girl won't like you when you drop the "act", you haven't developed your game yet and you're insecure about your own value. Game is the bait you use to attract a woman. Once you've done that, you give her parts of yourself piece by piece.

If you continue to use game, you can't have a relationship because it's a constant power struggle and you have to constantly think about attracting her when you should already just have her. You can't relax and enjoy the actual relationship. If you're a quality, confident guy, you will assume that she's already yours and you will assume that she is going to enjoy you more and more the more she discovers about you. You can see how that's the confident approach when you compare it to a guy that worries that he's not as attractive as his bait, his mating performance. And in the off chance (impossibility) that she doesn't like you more after you open up to her, then you will quickly find out that you're not compatible.

Mystery might be "clinically depressed", but it's more likely he knows his game is just a sideshow act and not congruent with himself. Women don't love his World of Warcraft emo real self, they love the peacocking ringleader he transforms into. It's possible to practice game without putting on an act. This is a guy that probably could never drop his game when he is in a relationship because he's insecure a girl won't like him when he's not in attraction mode.

You don't need game, unless you want to fuck around with girls and not settle down, even then game isn't necessary.


This shit's simple, yo



protip: drop mystery method.
It's ineffective and screws you up as in reinforces believes that girls always have more value than guys because they are pretty (that one is pretty hilarious) and thinking you need to have spend 7 hours with a girl for sex bc otherwise it's a fool's mate,
Also according to mystery method no girl can just be sexually interested in you without some fucked up complicated reason.

Go the more natural way of things.

MM assumes that ALL attractive people, male or female have higher value. It's a correct assumption. Have you ever seen a really pretty girl at the McDonalds counter and been like, "That girl is too pretty for this job." Like it or not, you are part of western culture and you have had generations of media programming telling you that more attractive people are smarter, more graceful, sexier, more successful, and happier. We love our beautiful people! The only way you can escape giving value to attractive people is by getting off the grid entirely. Being aware that I already have this bias hammered into me definitely keeps me from feeling like anyone is out of my league, though. You can't just ignore it, you automatically assume an HB9 is worth more than an HB7. If you don't believe looks attribute value, then you wouldn't be here. You should be proud taking down "HB"3's with good jobs and morals and then you wouldn't even need game.

I still stand by my post.

But to clarify.

When you are in attraction mode, you have to BE congruent. and you really have to BE yourself.

If you're putting on a facade when you are running routines, YES, you will have an issue getting her as a girlfriend or wife, because the girl is attracted to you're "PUA persona" and not YOU.

For instance, I try to rely mostly on natural game, and just.... go. but as I've said before, in a sense everything is scripted, in a way, i've polished what I say when ANYONE says _______...

BUT.. I have been known to use gambits and routines, and EVEN.... *brace yourself** some of Mysteries stock gambits and routines.. Guess what... It workssss.....

(I'm not going to get into this "mystery sucks and should have never been born" debate... but.. read on)


The POINT IS. Even though the routine is not mine, my persona, my mentality, my attitude is SPECIFICALLY me. So the girl really does like me, and not some fake "alter-ego"


and all of this about slowly letting yourself be shown to the girl is BS.

THE GAME isn't a skill you learn in order to "put a face on" and pick up chicks, and then go back to your boring self.

The point is to BE that person... ALL the time. just BE interesting. yeah you are gaming, but if you really aren't that interesting person your gaming SHOW'S the girl, than the relationship would be boring anyways... BE interesting.. Live your life interesting. Don't be a closet PUA. Live the life of a PUA.

_________________
As a PUA, you must leave the girl better off than when you found her

So your saying if your a happy kind of guy who is fun to be around anyway you have your own game anyway so just be your self anyway and your be fine. Just be yourself. But be conferdent with who you are. Natural game I guess you could say?

Yes. Exactly.

However, I am NOT saying that you should dismiss the nuts and bolts of gaming.

Natural game is what I dictate, but it's very important to understand how the social interaction works.

What I am referring to is Inner game/outer game.

Inner game refers to your ability to be confident, hold a conversations frame, and convey high value. THIS is where you can change yourself.

Outer game are just the things you say, and the polishing of your conversations.

Once you get inner game solid, and make yourself ACTUALLY congruent with what your outer game does. then you realize it doesn't really matter that much WHAT you say.

Alas..

Focus on your inner game, and BE the high value fun person that the pre-scripted routines convey. Take up a hobby, do interesting things. become more well-read. make it a point to swim in self improvement.

I'm a huge sucker for routines, but when I use them, I really am that fun, high energy guy that is just an interesting person. it's not a face.

When I talk about my hobbies, as a routine, I really DO do that.

You convey VALUE and STATUS through your life.. Not through the routines.. and girls can see that.

_________________
As a PUA, you must leave the girl better off than when you found her

Ok I think I understand. So if you don't use Natural game then your kind of living a lie as that's not the real you. Just improve your Natural game and your be well rounded? That about right?