I heard that there are down sides to beeing a PUA. But I can't say I see any as such. What do you guys think? I did read somewere that after time it's no fun as it gets too easy. This true?

Anybody who says that sarging gets boring is obviously not a good gamer.
You have to challenge yourself to learn new things.
Try new approaches new lines new looks.

Its all about coming up with that next great opener.

There are downsides.
But in my eyes the gain is way better then the loss.

Ok so you say there are downside to beeing a PUA then? So what are they?

there are downsides to being a PUA if you dont keep setting new goals. Alot of people claim to get bored with their success, or get angry that most girls respond the exact same way to their sarges. But if you keep setting new goals and enjoying the journey itself there are very few downsides to being a PUA, especially if you remember that you should never wear that title as your identity, its just a hobby really.

That is very true, if you get bored you should try some new techniques and routines. There are a lot of techniques you can use and master. You can also have fun and try like for example the video of Dave and Ethan using different accents.

Good Luck

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She put you in the Friend Zone, you put her in the Fuck Zone

You say that: Alot of people claim to get bored with their success, or get angry that most girls respond the exact same way to their sarges.

But surely if some one goes out on the town and they are not a PUA as they are natural as it were they don't get board do they? I mean it's the same for all guys there are diffrent ways of getting a girl if your not a PUA or not. But it's human nature if they tend to react the same way. (The girl that is). Is that not kind of normal? I guess things get boring if you pic up all the time if your just looking for sex. I guess beeing a PUA just teaches you better ways of finding / getting a lady. I guess if you have to much of anything it can get boring?

Downsides to 'being a PUA':


☻You have now given yourself some weird new extra casing/shell/persona as a 'PUA'. Problem: you now think you have to be a certain way, do things a certain way, and always do them such a way. Strips you of normality, and stops you from acting naturally (Will be a MASSIVE problem in early stages of development, perhaps not so much as you become accustomed to being weird).

☻Can learn things unecessarily Problem: Adding things to you that do NOT 'fit' with who YOU are, and therefore acting in a way not natural/good for you. Can also hinder your progress dramatically.

☻Becoming too analytical Problem: Theres nothing wrong with analysing and reflecting on things, but 'in set' this really messes you up, you will be always thinking of 'what to do next', 'what to say now', 'is it time to [technique]', etc etc etc.

☻Becoming too focussed on outcomes Problem: Instead of having fluid and natural interactions you will be viewing everything too strictly in stages and steps, again, will cause you to freeze and panic feeling lost of what to do.

☻Others: Thinking everything that comes out of your mouth has to be a 'PUA' response. This causes you to be lost for things to say because you now only speak in 'negs', 'dhv's, etc.




In conclusion: Will likely turn you very unnatural and awkward, fuck up your personality and natural traits and make you a mashup of random personalities and behaviours that don't fit YOU. Starting to think wayyy too much about things, thinking you need a 'good way' of asking someone for the time, or a way of making a facebook status that 'demonstrates high value'.


But you wan't to be better with women/people still...?

☯Learn good conversation skills and more importantly CHARISMA. Then learn how to ESCALATE!!!

They are the most important things. The more difficult to learn things, which I must add will probably prove most beneficial, are to learn how to love yourself and fix your mindsets. Stop trying to impress people, stop worrying what they think of what you do/say.☯


The last bit of advice between the taijitus(Yin Yang symbol), is in my opinion, the best way to go about this business if you want to become good with women and people without fucking yourself up and becoming weird.


Whatever you decide, good luck.


Love
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~Finesse

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

ido believe that the analytical part is true i ve a background in nlp which probably makes me worse!

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life sucks and then you die! deal with it

So if it will fuck you up and or make you weird why do it. Is there not away of doing it with out it fucking you up? I mean ones u have the number when you meet I guess you should be your self if you want it to be a long team girlfriend?

And we have a winner here folks!

You are right Finesse and a lot of newbz need to read that before trying to become a "PUA" imo

So if it will fuck you up and or make you weird why do it. Is there not away of doing it with out it fucking you up? I mean ones u have the number when you meet I guess you should be your self if you want it to be a long team girlfriend?

What I liked about The Game by Neil Strauss is that it shows you not only how to get involved in the PUA community, but it also teaches his readers the down side of being a PUA. After a certain amount of time, the mPUAs started to pick up every hot women they met, and sleeping with them wasn't their main goal, it was to impress the community. It also shows that being a PUA can become obsessive, causing some people to drop their life in order to master picking up women. I would suggest reading the latter half of The Game if you are really interested in the downsides of being a PUA.

This is why I like David D. He's not trying to just teach the reader how to sleep with every women he meets(although it could obviously be used that way) in my opinion, and he's not trying to teach certain techniques, steps, or things like that. He shows the reader that anyone can have their own style, and it can work for them, as long as they add, and remove a couple key traits.

You can still be yourself and be a PUA. The key traits of being a PUA are not being overly nice and becoming a doormat(good thing, no bad part), disconnecting yourself with the concern of what people will think(good thing, no bad part), confidence in yourself, and what you choose to do(good thing, no bad part), and not being a boring conversationalist, and not asking questions none of the people in a conversation want to hear or give the answer to(good thing, no bad part).

You don't have to entirely immerse yourself and lose being you to wanting to get women.

Yes.

As I said, and will always stand by...

Work out who YOU are. Work out how you naturally are, and then find different ideas/methods or whatever or anything that helps you backwards engineer how what you do works.

EVERY 'PUA' I have met who is NOT doing their OWN thing, comes across as weird... you know like when you have that weird salesman trying to sell you something and something doesn't seem quite 'right' about him, that is what largely happens to most people who enter this community.

The old vague advice of 'be yourself'. Is probably along the best things you can do.

Just remove all the negative things, and just work on yourself, no need to change yourself, find out who YOU are, then refine your already existing personality.

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....