This has been happening quite a bit lately. I'll have good rapport with a girl; there was an issue at a major club here in Richmond where a cocktail waitress pulled this on me after I had chosen her to serve me and tipped her quite well for weeks. She flirted alot. One night I was there w/ a bud of mine, and on our way out, I tried to number close. She said, "I'll just see you here."

My friend said he thinks it must be corporate policy for the cocktail girls to say that, when approached.

But tonight, I was out at some place, engaged this bitchy group of 5 girls together, no need to write 'em off, go at 'em one-by-one, and see if they're all bitches, right? Most were.

There was this one girl though, sipping wine, and it was a night club. I went up to her, held my drink up to hers, like to toast, and she smiled and hit my glass. I told her, "It takes balls to sip wine in a club like this."....smalltalk, blah blah blah. She hates Richmond too, is from Lithuania(?) but will be here for the foreseeable future.

She did more stuff with bitch friends. Later I was doing some stuff on my phone and she came up to me alone and said, "You having a good time?" I said yeah, I was supposed to meet a bud here but looks like he's not gonna show. Within 20 seconds one of her bitch friends came to pull her away, whispering stuff in her ear the whole way through.

Minutes pass..Time to leave. I find them. She's sitting by herself on one side of a table, a couple bitch friends are on the other side of the table. I told her I'm hittin' the road, gotta get up for work tomorrow, she seemed really perceptive and happy, smiling, wanting to shake my hand, then do some wierd stuff w/ my hand holding it and stuff afterwards.

I said, "So how many people do you know in Richmond?" She said, "Just these girls" I said, "Can I hit you up sometime?.....just to say what's up, tell u if a place is hoppin', w/e?"

She said, "mmm, I'll just see you here." I said whatever take it easy. Gave her the thumbs up and walked out, feeling like a total fuckin failed loser. It's not like she told me to go fuck myself on my initial approach, that would have at least been manageable.

So I was mainly wondering:

1. How did I do? Any feedback or what I could've done to improve?

2. What do you do about loud, cockblocking, blasting music, by the way? The past two nights I've been out, the music has been so POUNDING, and REVERBERATINGLY abnoxious that you can't hear the people next to you. These are clubs and live-music-bar-type venues. I've constantly been asked by servers and people I approach to repeat myself or spell my last name (for my tab) I don't see being on even the periphery of the dancefloor in areas like this, trying to chat up girls who're standing around, and expecting them to hear you, I just don't get it.

You guys have been great and habe definitely helped me come as far as I've come in my game; if there's any feedback I could get on how this all went, and the music, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Best,

Rob

I have to say I find all the "Bitches" remarks funny

Anyhow, you asked the number in both cases in an environment she will probably NOT give you the number (while she's at work, or in front of her friends)

unless her friends like you and aprove of you she will not give you her number while she's with them

and both of the girls weren't emotionally charged at the moment

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and both of the girls weren't emotionally charged at the moment
and both of the girls weren't emotionally charged at the moment
and both of the girls weren't emotionally charged at the moment
and both of the girls weren't emotionally charged at the moment
and both of the girls weren't emotionally charged at the moment

next time when you see her tell her she's evil ... she is the root of all evil and walk away..

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Now you're just bs'ing. I didn't say anything about them being evil at all. I do understand the thing about them not giving the number at work or in front ofthir fiends.

But when they're always with their friends I'm not sure what you're supposed to do..

As far as getting them emotionally charged, I can't see how that's possible when their friends are constantly dragging them away...whenever u get a discussion going.

I don't know gentlemen I think the fact he uses bitches about 20 times in his post has a lot to do with why he is having trouble in the first place.

Hey you don't have to respect girls.
But waltzing around calling them 'bitches' in not benefiting you.
I know your big pimping and all..

Not an excuse for the foul pet names.

they aren't bitches ... they like the game as much like you do.
respect them as human - but you don't have to respect them as gender or person
i think you need to drop the pimp identity , somehow you're incongruent you felt a fucking loser because a girl turned you down .... jezus ... it's because you have created this pimp identity and now this girl defies it by turning you down .... temporarily identity crisis.

with al respect, if you get rejected and you are affected you already lost at the approach ... .someone with good inner game shouldn't be affected.

being PUA is a counterproductive identity , drop the identity , drop the fancy pimp language and go out natural like a regular guy. there are enough guys who dress fancy and are acting all smoooth like james bond but guess what ... these are all chodes putting up fake identities and girls can sense that, because it's presented through the deep layers of communication called subcommunication.
It could be she did not hear you well and she doesn't want to look like a loser by asking '' what are you saying ? '' or she did hear it but perceived it differently - maybe music or noise was too loud nearby. never never walk away because sometimes in loud venues girls do not laugh because they cannot hear your words because of the noise - you think they are not interested but they are just shy and don't want to ask what you were saying.

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God I just love people that PROCLAIM things on forums.
What may work for 'Lodewijkp' may not work for you.

I'm a firm believer in the fact that you can make any 'look' work and still get attractive girls.

Lodewijkp is talking about being a regular guy I think that isn't smart.
Peacock.
The peacock some more.
It gets you attention.

I gets people talking about you.
Being 'regular' is overrated.

Yeah, the bitch talking only really came after that last night. I don't go throwing that word around usually. This was just especially bad.

I put that pic there as more of a novelty. I don't peacock or act like a pimp who wants to "slap a ho".

I dress pretty average/casual for today's club scene. Nothing you can't find at an Express or Banana Republic. It may not have gotten me peacock level attention but it doesn't get me blown out either...safe enough.

Girls like guys who are willing to take risks.
That's partly why the peacock theory is so amazing.

ill just see you here is a phrase i used to use to ugly girls who hit on me at work. the thing thats baffling to me is how girls want to fuck a man that isnt that attractive, but if i dont find the girl attractive, i cant get it up for her. i guess thats the fundamental difference between the two of us. they dont need erections to get smashed

If that "look" is not a part of your personality that you tap into moderately easily, it will be very difficult to make it work.

I'm not saying you can't. But it makes it a hell of a lot harder.

Any "look", could, in theory, work, because as humans we have a wide variety of experiences to draw in, and so we have many different personalities that we can tap into. That's what actors do.

Unfortunately, we aren't in good communication with some parts of ourselves.

So, basically what I'm trying to say is, don't force any particular look.

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of course !

i think you shouldn't be somewhat fixed on a certain appearance - i believe peacocking is overkill in most cases. A dynamic personality is much more important ( flexible personality in social scenarios).
being regular very well depends on your standards, but if you are going out on your own and you draw the attention in the club because of your peacocking you get negative social proof in most cases ( cause you entered on your own).

i don't want to look incongruent in a rock scene by peacocking like in hiphop style, neutral is neutral - i also believe it's psychological, if you think you will look better in certain clothing you get in state. if you think you look ok in dull clothing well you can be in state while being dressed ''regular''.
from my own experience i've picked up girls and got approached while being dressed regular because i believe it doesn't give a fuck ..... i don't even want to think peacocking will improve my game , i don't want criteria like : i need to be dressed well..... people have all these stupid rules like they need to wear a lucky shirt when going out- if they don't have their shirt on they feel not like doing it....

i go out with alot of guys who peacock and im way more succesfull and i get way more attention, conclusion is ; personality matters.
if you can approach while being regualr or boring without feeling incongruent or out of state you are practically doing the same.

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