Completely agree. The PUA emphasizes the artist side. Like you create something, your own method.

Otherwise you are just a PUL. Pick-up Loser.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

MM is not the only method. Lies.

There are much better writers and instructors that I could have never done without. Again this is my opinion, but a fact is that nobody should swear by one Master.

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the only thing that people will see mystery method as is getting out of the hole, its a basic thing its a motivator, its so you dont dig the hole any deeper and continue getting stuck with 1s and 3s, if you cant grasp the mystery method, than you will never grasp anything in the community, in other words they are the training wheels, and while they will always work, it is not your natural self working yet.

read my post again....

and i quote "MM is NOT the only method"


I can't quite tell if you guys (aside from ezo) are agreeing or disagreeing with me.

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I was really just disagreeing on the beginning post by Mystery stating that MM is the only method. MM is actually pretty narrow IMO, although it has some good pointers. It's really hard to comment on this because everybody is different.

As far as using your own method goes, I agree somewhat only because many people find one MPUA more effective than others. A lot of guys need to refer to one PUA over others only because they may not be creative enough to make their own method. Additionally, a lot of guys may seek advice.

I am somewhat biased because I use a specific method with other PUA methods combined into that one.

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The Venusian Arts Handbook = severely outdated. The routines have all been overused. It's effectiveness has been significantly reduced, the main imrpovements being seen in tall good looking guys who are good at magic and pretty good liars who love attention and manipulating people.
People have pushed the seduction community forward with more efficient and evolved methods of seduction. These methods can allow you to get laid within minutes (rather than seven hours) and can teach you how to become socially skilled and seductive without being a manipulator.
Revelations is a step in the right direction and Magic Bullets is pretty good.
Actual tuition from Love Systems (used to be called the Mystery Method) and guys like Sinn, Captain Jack and El Topo is light years ahead of what was originally thought of as 'The Mystery Method'.
Everything is becoming better because it allows you to learn basic social skills first then add in more attractive ways of expressing yourself and of being and then finally helping you to add in that sexuality and become a more seductive person who is more comfortable expressing sexuality, desire and intent.
This means you can create actual connections and relationships rather than run around doing opinion openers and C's Vs U's and trying to hide your intent and desires as a man all the time.
Yes The Mystery Method can make you a PUA if that is your aim but without expressing your own identity you will never ever be a master seducer

And oh God, don't even get me started on the "fake it till you make it" and "tell girls you used to date a model" bs.
It's fucking hilarious. Unless you live in San Fran, LA, NY, Las Vegas, London, Paris, Rome etc. in all likelihood you have never met a serious model in your entire life. Neither has the girl you are talking to, the girl isn't going to be impressed by your absolutely transparent BS attempt at bragging. She is going to cringe and either just speak to you out of politeness (and wait for you to fuck up and run away with your tail between your legs), like you despite your idiot attempt to impress/be flattered or just shoot you down.
Dear lord, especially when the chick is a freakin' six anyway. What is this BS? A good method would ideally teach appropriate contexts, social situations and environments in which to use what routines. Mystery method doesn't, mine does. Though mine focuses on congruence, authenticity, expressing ones own identity (rather than that of a magician), seducing a woman in a group rather than entertaining the group, actual attraction to personality rather than seeking and maintaining attention with gimmicks, making real connections and sleeping with women rather than entertaining them for seven hours and hoping they really like you after that.vTwo separate and distinct methods right there.

completely as predicted, THE MAIN POINT of the argument has just been ignored in order to call the method outdated.

This is seriously pissing me off because not only are you guys being selective non-inclusive readers, but you are failing to find any solstice in ANY sort of middle ground..

Either you FOLLOW MYSTERY METHOD TO THE T, or you SHUT HIM OUT COMPLETELY AND THINK HE'S A FUCKING DIPSHIT!

NO, that's not the case at all.. I said you would ignore that point, and you have.

I seriously can't fathom how this incredibly simple concept is so difficult to understand.

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As I said before. It is not a flaw in the method, it is just that you have outgrown it.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

We seem off topic.

My ten cents on this is as follows:

Mystery method is not the only method.

I can see why one would think that, however. All the pickup methods have the same underlying traits, and that is why the methods are interchangeable.

You could just as easily say that Stealth Seduction is the only method because it's so similar.

"There are many paths to the top of the mountain, yet, no matter which you take, you will reach the summit."

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The Mystery Method teaches you the women psychology in my opinion, not how to game perfectly. The MM teaches you the basic and how to develop it more and more.

Mystery Method seems a bit too confusing and douchey for me. Personally I'll stick with Ross Jeffries.

MM is awesome, vs MM is outdated/sux0r

You could do the same thing with Double Your Dating, Speed Seduction, StyleLife, RSD, or any method if you wish. They all of strengths and weaknesses. The point is TO TRY THEM ALL, USE WHAT WORKS, DISCARD WHAT DOESN'T, AND DEVELOP YOUR OWN BRAND OF PUA. And remember that what works now will not always work later (ie, canned lines and opinion openers), so be flexible with your methodology. Props to Bruce Lee as this was his philosophy for martial arts, but it applies equally to the Venusian Arts, as Mystery has put it so eloquently.

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