There are two differing schools of thought on direct approaching (during the day). Some people have become very good at it and make it sound like the best way of doing things. Others say that it might work sometimes and that indirect approaches are way more likely to end in some sort of close.

Proponents of Direct daygame:
http://www.puaratings.com/articles/paul ... aid-in-nyc (this is a long article, but a very good read)

Andy Yosha www.daygame.com says that he is almost always direct, and some call him the best day gamer around

Stormy's sticky on inner game frame-control-defining-reality-and-bein ... 34530.html says that he is definitely for direct day game

People against direct daygame:
Most notably, Adam Lyons says that direct game is skipping 3 steps in his 4 step attraction formula, thus making it much less likely to succeed.

These are what I can come up with off the top of my head. Since there are very good PUA's who support both sides, I decided to try it out and see for myself. As you can see, so far I much prefer the indirect approach, but I think once I get some more confidence and better inner game, direct approaches will work for me as well.

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Going direct isn't bad. It has a time and a place. Often, going direct during the day is better because of logistic issues. People are going place,s they might not have a lot of time, and you really need to move it forward. This skips so much ambiguous B.S. that is needed when you indirect.

I find that girls will be attracted to you just because you had the confidence to say something direct in the day time.

I actually use that opener you used on that girl at the mall, and usually it does get that kind of response. However, if they don't say anything at first I kinda smile and say something like, "And...this is where you say hi, I'm ______."

If she introduces herself, I try to make an observation about her- height, color of clothes. Something that made her stand out to you and compelled you to talk to her.

Day 5
Topics: Mentality while walking around town, General Anxiety, Change of Style

I realized something today while I was walking to the gym. When I am walking around for a purpose other than sarging, there is basically no way that I am going to approach. I passed one hottie and thought "I wish I was sarging right now, I have a good opener for her."

What's the difference between walking around town and sarging? There shouldn't be one. But for me, there are both mental and physical differences. Before I go out and "sarge" (or to do the StyleLife challenge), I have made the choice to do so; I am "mentally prepared," if you will. Physically, I know that if I am out specifically for practicing game, I look good, smell good, etc. But, on the way to the gym, I am in scrubby gym clothes, I haven't showered yet for the day, and I am sweating like crazy (if I am on my way back home).

What do I want to change about this? If I see a situation in which I would open if I were "sarging," I'm at least going to start a conversation. I want to blur the lines between practicing game and just going to a destination.

So the challenge today was slightly more difficult than yesterday. I had to go to one of the suggested clothing stores and ask a saleswoman to help me change my style (by picking out an outfit for me to try on). I was a bit anxious to do this, I felt like I was going up to a beautiful woman and saying "Hi, there are some things that I don't like about myself" (in this case my fashion sense). But I did it with little delay once I got into the store, and she turned out to be incredibly helpful. I tried on a bunch of stuff, even ended up buying a shirt that I will wear at the clubs this weekend.

Other than the "walking around vs. sarging" mentality, another thing that I want to change is that I'm not spending enough time in the field. The past two days, I have done StyleLife challenge stuff + 1 more approach. I am leaving myself wanting more practice by the time I get home. So, I am going to a coffee shop to work on med school applications right now, but hopefully I will see a random HB that I can start a conversation with.

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Awesome man, keep up the good work.

Kudos on the direct approach too. Apparently it's conroversial, but IM it takes some balls to do that.

I like the line you used too.

I'm inspired by reading this, and I tried approaching the other night actually, I'm going to write up a FR on it.

this is happen to me too when i first start. When I just start sarging i have like specifique time for sarge and I talked to woman just in the time of sarge. but outside I did not. But lately I started to approach women even after hours of sarge.
I think that AA is the reason you see this girl you want to talk to her but your AA say no no . with time and practice your AA will decrease. the more you practice the more you are going to have confidance to approach. PRACTICE is the key.

good luck

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Evening 5
Topics: Approaching

So I was going to the coffee shop to work on med school applications as I mentioned before, and I saw an HB7.5 walking right at me on the way there. I opened her and barely thought about it or felt any nerves. I used the opener I was using at the clubs last Friday, and she liked it, she smiled, and she gave me her thoughts on the subject. But I felt the conversation dying down, so I said "What's your name, by the way?" She said "Casey" then started to walk away. For some reason, she thought the interaction was ending when I asked her name, so I started to get nervous because I wasn't ready for her to leave yet. But I went along with her leaving anyway and said "Well I don't normally just approach strangers on the street, but you looked like you would give good advice, so thank you." Conversation over.

What did I do wrong? A couple of things come to mind. I let the opener go on for too long before changing threads, so the conversation died down, which led her to believe that I was done talking to her. I also fell into her frame once she started to walk away. I was thinking well I really didn't want you to leave, but you are leaving so I guess I will have to go along with it anyway.

But, the good thing is that I actually approached when I was not sarging, which is exactly what I wanted to change from earlier today. I will continue to do this from now on.

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Great job man. Its good to hear your stories, as another AFC I find them inspiring.

I noticed that you didnt mention if you have tried setting time limits when you open a set. I have found that it is MUCH easier to hold their attention if you do. That is the first thing that popped into my head after hearing how the HB just walked away. Humans always have timers in their heads by nature. So when she walked away she was following her own timer ("I only have 10 minutes to get home"). If you give her a new timer 3 things will happen.. She will think you are important, it gives you a reason to Nclose her quickly, and it will make her stick around for that time that you gave her.

Great links Hobbit thanks again.

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Thanks for the advice Lub. I haven't tried false time constraints yet, but I think it's a great idea and I will let you know tomorrow how they work out for me!

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Day 6
Topics: Compliments, Body Language, Controlling the Interaction

Day 6 of the challenge was not too difficult. I had to approach 4 girls and give them a sincere compliment, and not continue the interaction unless they made conversation with me. I mainly found girls wearing cool shoes and complimented them on those, but I was not supposed to show interest in the girl in any way...in other words, it had to look like a spontaneous compliment, and nothing more. I realized that I was using my body language to convey this. For example, I was walking past one girl in the mall and said "Hey, I really like your shoes" as she was passing me. I said it over my shoulder and continued walking in the opposite direction, and in doing this she had no choice but to say a quick "Thanks" and keep walking her own way. If I would have stopped in front of her, made sure she came to a stop, and THEN pointed to her shoes and complimented them, then she wouldn't have been able to walk away as easily. It would have been much easier to continue the interaction from there. I did what I was supposed to do for the Challenge, but I learned what not to do on an actual approach.

Today also made it even more obvious to me that it is my responsibility to control an interaction and take it in the direction that I want it to go (especially in the beginning). On one of my approaches the girl was standing in a line, and I said "Hey, I really like your shoes, where did you get those?" Since I stopped by her, she opened up her body to me, and said "Thanks, they're from Dillards. They are Fossil." I said "Oh cool...not that I wanted them for myself, but I know my sister would LOVE shoes like that." Then I said thanks and began walking away. Her body was still facing me, she had showed no disinterest whatsoever, but there was NOT A CHANCE that she would have stopped me and said "Hey where are you going? I want to continue this interaction" or whatever (not that I wanted to continue it, like I said I was just giving compliments, but this is useful for the future). When I am in a situation like this again, I have to make sure that I control where the interaction goes.

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"When I am in a situation like this again, I have to make sure that I control where the interaction goes."

That is an incredible lesson to learn--and i think internalizing it will IMMENSELY help you.

Its funny, b/c after about a half a year of committing serious thought and practice to PUA, its still a component of my inner game that I struggle with: i will admit that sometimes i still feel resentful that women aren't putting forth more effort to give me a chance when I talk to them. i have made serious effort to release myself from these expectations and internalize another thought, namely that "I MUST TAKE CONTROL TO SHOW OFF MY EXUBERANT PERSONALITY AND SEPARATE MYSELF FROM HER EXPECTATIONS ABOUT THE DROOLING HORDES OF OTHER MEN!" As much as I hate it, I'm training myself to accept the reality of general female passivity in these matters. And sometimes, i actually find it liberating b/c it reminds me that, as you noted, I AM IN CONTROL.

Love these posts, friend. seriously. i've been looking forward to reading them everyday. you write with the same reflection and dedication that initially attracted me to Neil's writing.

Chopper, In my mind, there is no question about your eventual success in the field of PUA. I'm excited for you to "win" the challenge.

Peace
-Shaman

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Day 7
Topics: Number Close

So after I got out of the shower today, I looked at myself in the mirror and said
"Chopper, today you will number close. Enough pussying around...you're going to fucking number close today!!"

About 2 minutes later, I got my first number close . I walked out of my apartment, and after about 30 seconds of walking down the street I see two set of HB8's walking right towards me. I'm thinking
Oh shit, if I'm going for a number close I have to do it in front of her friend. Oh well, just do it.

"Hey, let me ask you guys a quick question..." I finish the opener, they laugh, both give me their opinions. It is a total of about 1 minute of talking.
"So I have to get going...what were your names?"
1st one: "HB Brunette"
2nd one: "HB Blonde"
"Well, thanks for your advice. HB Brunette, you seem like a fun girl to hang out with." *takes phone out of pocket* "Put your number here and I'll text you sometime."
HB Brunette: "Alright!"
*she puts her number in*
HB Blonde: "What...I don't seem like a fun girl to hang out with?!"
I'm thinking shit I wasn't ready for that
Me: "Of course you do, but I'm not going girl to girl here." *smile and light arm kino, then walk away*
HB Brunette: Tell your friend good luck! (this is in regards to the opener)

So, easy as that...number close numero uno!

I opened two more sets to complete the challenge for the day. On the next one, my conscience got the best of me. I saw a girl wearing a T shirt about a tennis tournament walking about 5 feet in front of me. She looked back at me, and I said "Hey, do you play tennis?"
Her: "I did in high school."
Me: "Oh okay, because I just moved to Austin and I've been looking for a summer tennis league to play in." (this is true)
Her: "Oh, I'm just here for orientation. I can't wait to play intramural when I start school though!"
I'm thinking Shit, this girl's young, she's probably not even legal. Abort!
Me: "That's cool" *walks away*

In retrospect...why not just go for it? Stack into my usual opener, then ask for her number. If she's not legal, she'll probably tell me.

The last set was quick. They were both HB5.5's, and I saw them on my way into my apartment. I delivered the opener, thanked them for their opinions, then ejected. I wasn't interested, I was just completing the challenge which was to come up with an opener and open three sets with it. So now I'm going to a coffee shop to work on med school apps, and hopefully I'll see some more potential number closes on the way!

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Day 7 (cont'd)

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Day 7 (cont'd)
Topics: Missed opportunities

There were two times that I should have approached today and didn't. On one, an HB8.5 was sitting at a table outside doing homework. I knew I should've gone for it, but I said to myself "Nah, she's busy right now, I don't want to bother her." The other time was this girl was having trouble opening a door, she looked behind her because she wanted to see if anybody noticed because she was embarrassed. She looked right at me and laughed a bit. But, she was about 10 feet ahead of me so I didn't want to yell and I didn't want to run up to her.

Both of those girls were hot, and these are the things that I look back on and think "I should have approached." So, I need to make sure there are less I should haves and more I dids.

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Maybe I missed something or I'm misinterpreting this, but shouldn't the word "did" imply "I did WHEN I was in high school" which means "I'm no longer in high school" ?

Also, she's here for orientation (which I assume would be college orientation) meaning that she's at least 17, probably 18.

Either way, you could get her number then ask her later how old she is (you look just like my 16 yr old cousin, but I have a feeling you might be a bit older than her, right?"

If she's not legal, lose her number. Keep in mind, states different for legal ages (14-17), so 18+ is good (and I'd hope you don't go after 14 yr olds [/u]