After you finish reading the shit below. You figure it out for yourself.

Picking up girls is not difficult. It has been made complex by dating gurus who in order to sustain a steady income continually put out fresh dating products with new and improved 'dating technologies'. They seek to obscure the sheer simplicity of picking up girls so that they can continue to churn out 'Advanced' or 'Mastery' DVDs and charge for high priced workshops. Their motivation is often times the 'bottom line', not 'helping people'.

Average guys on the street are dating and sleeping with beautiful women without any real knowledge of seduction or help from a seduction community; simply because they ask for what they want, whether that be a date or a phone number. Too often people in the community simply overlook this simple tactic. By simply asking a girl for a date or a number in a direct and unapologetic manner, you demonstrate more about you as a man than using a thousand tricks, tips and seduction subterfuge could ever accomplish.

Women like and want relationships and sex with men. It is a biological demand there body makes on them. But it is also hardwired into their psychological make-up that they cannot make the first move. Therefore the plight of woman can be even worse than a man. They have to wait passively for a guy to come along and approach them. Often times by simply making yourself available and making the first move, you open up a whole world of possibilities with women for yourself without the need for any extraneous 'seduction' technique.

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I should sue the creators of She's Out Of My League for turning my life story into a movie without my consent.

By simply following a woman's agenda you can make alot of things happen, sometimes you'll have to let yourself go a bit to make things happen. Yet, when things get out of hand, have the self-respect to say no, this isn't working for me. Let her find someone else that is willing to follow her agenda till the bitter end.
Knowing this, going with the flow will work most of the time and things will evolve naturally out of that.

Sleeping with/dating women is easy.
In my opinion, someone that is great with women knows how to make her agenda work for him, rather than her.
Even if this implies using 'unethical' tactics.


Good thread.

I agree in principle.

I can hear a lot of GUNWITCH here. Which is good.

Your points about certain people seeling products about new ways to wow the pants of women for $25.00 bucks are correct.

Picking up women.
Again correct, if you are confident,competant and know what you want sure....

What you don't mention is living with them.

This is not that easy.
I have always found this hard work with the highest quality women.(not looks alone here and you know what i mean)
They seem to be use to getting their own way.

I know that statement is flawed and full of holes but high value people in general have HIGH FUCKING STANDARDS.

Average guys on the street don't bang the highest quality women THAT EASYILY.
Come on, get real.

I was at a mall earlier and after i opened a few women in stores for warm up. I spotted a MEGA 10, 6 foot in heels.
I quickly changed direction slightly, listened they were russian,Then realised to my horror they were walking to fast, i could'nt catch them up.
I like 3 second rule in these situations, but hey WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE.

I did'nt get a chance to make the ho say NO... Ha HA.

I don't follow women, ever.
IT LOWERS MY VALUE.

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Its getting Hot out there.

Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

Good post SandTiger I agree.

This is inspiring. It's inspiring in the sense that by simply knowing and reminding myself that women, majority of them, just won't make the first move I now feel that I should have no qualms about approaching anyone.

This is a good encouragement for anyone with AA. Thanks.

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Manipulation is such a strong word... I prefer persuasion.

I just dont see the point with this post.

Everyone knows people are making money teaching/helping/stealing from guys who wants to learn about PU.

If you dont think its neccesairy thats just your opinion.
A lot of guys need to go to a couple of workshops to grow the balls it takes to approach a women.

I'd recommend anybody to read-up on your own or just start talking to girls.
But it would be naive to think that would work for everybody, therefore this is a neverending discussion.

Every now and then someone posts something like this.
I dont know anything about you started out, but I remember where I came from.
I needed to buy expencive books to get started.

There was noone around to help and encourage me to approach.

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Vino, vedi, vici.
I drank some wine, I saw her, I conquered

I disagree champ. Girls almost always make the first move unless you go in cold.

When she stares at you or looks in your direction for more than sec. When you make eye contact and she looks down. A small smile when you look at her.

Those are all invitations that she's interested and she wants you to come talk to her. It only looks like you made the first move because you move from where you are to be where she is.

Also, I've had plenty of woman come out of nowhere and start an interaction with me. It doesn't happen as often but it still happens plenty.

I think you have a little more to learn than you think.

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Don't think you are, know you are.

So goodtimes, are you the one to teach me?
Or should I attend a seminar?

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Vino, vedi, vici.
I drank some wine, I saw her, I conquered

lol I could give you a few pointers or you could just stick around the forums and the PUA chat. You'll learn plenty.

I have yet to pay for anything PUA but I have learned plenty from going out and reading the forums. Some people might need some of it I just happen to be a very quick learner.

Send me a message if you ever need help with something. Sometimes I'm on the chat as well.

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Don't think you are, know you are.