Hey guys,

Here is the story, I was walking away from a bar to my car after a night of sarging/drinking/hanging out and I started making small talk with these two chicks that were walking in the same direction. Made it easy because they found a dollar bill on the ground and I was like "you found a dollar bill." Crappy opening but whatever it worked. Then I proceeded to ask them if they were from the San Diego area and I honestly just wanted to know about the different scenes, because I just moved to SD. Also, because I am getting over this drunken mess that seems to be my areas of attraction. I would rather sit in a nice place, not with a lot of drunken college kids, and be able to have quality conversations with girls or just quality interactions in general. Being crazy anymore is starting to get old, don't get me wrong I have been one of those people many times in my career, but now I am starting to get over it.

So anyways back to the girls. I asked them if this area in San Diego was still a cool scene or does it get old fast? because I found out they were natives to the area and they looked older than me. I had just moved here about 2 months ago and really wanted to get their input, so I could go to places where there would be girls like them, cause they were hot, and looked intelligent.

So we walked down the street toward our cars, the less hott one left after a few blocks and was like " take care of her" and I was like "Oh I will." So the Hot babe and I walked down the street shooting the shit. I didn't want to scare her off by making any sort of move toward her in the beginning because she is older 28 and Im 25, and super hot.

So, the only romantic thing I got in to say toward her was when we were talking about the areas and she said "Your not going to find the person of your dreams here because its a shit show, and half the people don't even remember what happens the night before. You might find that person in another part of town, where people go out of their way to end up there and have more intelligent conversations." And I said "Well, I might have found the girl of my dreams right now actually because this is a really interesting conversation." She said "That's sweet, that was sweet." and repeated herself again.

After that I walked her to her car I asked
"Can I call you sometime?"
And she said " Yes, but not to date."
"Why not? Do you have a boyfriend?"
" No, I just got out of a bad break up.
"Its cool, we can be friends"
I got her number and said "ok cool, I'll call you sometime and we'll hangout." "Have a good night"
"Drive home safely"

That's how it went down. Now I know there are so many shit tests that she has put in place that I need to pass with flying colors if I have a shot with this girl.

1.) She talked about Jock stuff and how her Dad played minor league football or something. All I said was "that's cool" and obviously I put emphasis on the fact that I like interesting conversations and that was what we really connected on in the first place. Polar opposite to jock talk, even though I am one and look like one, I don't really care to talk about it.

2.)The whole "Its cool we can be friends" thing at the end.... Not good. And that she just got out of a relationship, which she totally could have made up? who knows.

3.)She's 28 and I told her I was 25.. probably not a good thing in her book, especially since she's hott.

4.)If I have another interaction with her that doesn't involve any romantic feelings, I have officially entered the friend circle.

What to do next? Guys this is where I need your help!!

Couple ideas, ask her to get lunch or breakfast one day during the week, shes probably busy, so not sure how to approach this.

Another is to invite her to the beach, when all my friends and I end up going. But my friends might hit on her...

Should I text or call her this week?

Thanks for the advice guys, she was a cool chick, hope I can make something happen.

-Modern Achilles

Ok, step by step.

U already find the age as a limit, by limiting yourself straight. I also see some insecureness on the moment u write that "your friends" would try to pick her up, so what? if u are the alpha male u dont worry about that, cause u r alpha everywere. I think u need to do some inner game work, and realize that, like David Deangelo says, atraction isn't a choice. If you play your game right, show that you are cocky and funny (remember, not only cocky or u r arrogant, a mayor turn off, or only funny, cause then u r a clown), show that u r a strong man, meaning inner strengh, and you can bust her ball without thinking twice, and make her laugh by this, u will create a inner atraction she can not deny.

If u like a woman, but she is not atracted to u, no way in the world u can convince her of the oposite. But instead, if u can make a woman feel that gut atraction, no way in the world she can auto convince herself that she doesnt like u.

About the conversation ill copy and paste and add comments on it:

"Can I call you sometime?"
U asked her for permition to call her, showing insecurity, exess of interest and "non-leading" behavior.

And she said " Yes, but not to date."

IOD, not shit test, hudge IOD, witch u could had turn by an IOD back like "who told u i wanted to date u? I dont even know u enough to trust u yet" with a smile on the face.

"Why not? Do you have a boyfriend?"
Again, showing hudge interest about her.

" No, I just got out of a bad break up."
Well she is damaged, no problem, u can show her u can support her, but MOST IMPORTANT, make her laugh, make her have a blast with u, that is the probable reason she went out with her friends, because she needs that.

"Its cool, we can be friends"
U just condemmed urself to LJBF. U could tell her things like "dont worry, i dont byte, at the start..." making sure she know u r just playing, but also waking that atraction about u briefly.
I got her number and said "ok cool, I'll call you sometime and we'll hangout."
Here again you show that she interest u, remember, rule number 1, most important, she MUST SHOW INTEREST FIRST, in form of IOI's

About inviting her for dinner, again, interest interest interest. U will end up being "the nice guy" menawile others are the "boyfriends" or the "night stands".

Dont give up man, perfect more ur game, i recomend u read "Atraction isn't a choice" from David Deangelo, it will help u a lot. Also work in your inner game, be secure, and be an alpha everywere.

Cheers and good luck

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"Atraction is not a choice" - David DeAngelo

Yovet, Thanks. I appreciate the feedback.

Yeah, looks like I have a lot to work on... I should have tried harder to go home with her that night. Or at least been more aggressive in trying to attract her. Sometimes I feel when I say things that sound arrogant, cocky, or funny it makes me that dusche bag whom I hate. And that's just not me, or even want to be around a guys like that. You think reading "Attraction isn't a choice" would help me with this?

I guess instead of saying "can I call you some time?" or "can I get your number?", I should have asked "I really enjoyed this conversation what steps can we make to keep it going?"

But going forward, What should I do? Is it totally lost and too much or an up hill battle? Should I just delete her number and move on? Because I showed too much friend stuff. Not sure how to play this.

Attraction isn't a choice will not only help u up, it will be a MAYOR change in ur game, at least for me it was a big mind-changing point. I used to think like u, i hated arrogant dushe bags, but u know what? they got the girls i wanted, i only got to hear them cry and complain "all the guys are the same".

When i read the book i understood MANY points that helped me to change and improve IN A HUDGE WAY my game (have it clear here, i dont work for DD, but hes stuff, mixed with the mystery method is a pure bomb of seduccion).

I passed from being a stupid AFC to be a succesful PUA by that change.

U mention that u should had asked her "I really enjoyed this conversation what steps can we make to keep it going?", there u still ask her for what are the next steps, not taking the lead at all. When u let them deside for u u will loose mayor ammounts of value in front of them.

Remember the 4 mayor attraction triggers on a woman mind: Preselected by other females, leader of the men, protector of the loved ones and willingness to emote. If u successfully click on those triggers, she will indeed feel so attracted to u that she will not be able to stop it, but if u fail to trigger, or even give the opposite message (in ur case, the leadership, cause u let her deside for u) the effect is the opposite, there is NO WAY ON THIS EARTH that she will look at u as more than a friend, or even less.

Free ur mind, u dont have to be a jerk to get the girl who u want, jerks get girls not because of being a jerk, but because they show values of a real man, they lead people arround, they are preselected, and secure of themselves. U can show same qualities without being a jerk, by being urself, but maybe u need to find urself first, work ur inner game.

U ask "what should i do?", well, nothing is lost that easy, dont give up, before calling her study inner game and read PUA materials, ask if u have doubs, and then call her. Take it like a win win situation. If u do it right, u can get the girl, if not, u will practice ur game, then reset urself, from rejection to aboid future AA and move on.

I think u should invite her to join u, something like "im heading to buy some shoes to the mall, and after take a coffee, want to join?", it will work much much MUCH more than saying "want to take a coffee with me?".

I wish u good luck, hope this helped u.

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"Atraction is not a choice" - David DeAngelo

Good stuff man, Thanks!

So a lot of the things that I was doing wrong were asking her questions? Showing my too much of my interest and not leading at all? Instead I should be giving statements on what I am going to be doing and ask her, or tell her, she should join if she wants? Like I am going to go to the bathroom, you should come give me a bj in the mens stall."?? Or "I have something to show you, lets get out of here, and go to your place." Or perhaps " I am going to the bar to get a drink with my roommate, you want to come" Just be more lead oriented with statements, with a tail-ended "join if you want"

I feel like that if the "join if you want" situation happens two major obstacles come up:
A) the girl will be like whatever, I wasn't that interested in him anyways, if he isn't interested in me.
B.) They might already be busy and can't meet me at the mall for buying shoes or getting coffee. Then I am stuck with asking them, Ok when are you free? or Do you want to get coffee later?

Anyways, just thoughts.

No: "Can I call you sometime?"
Yes: Here's my cell. Put your number in there. I'm pretty busy, but I'll call if I have time and happen to remember tonight.

No: "Do you have a boyfriend?"
Yes: Why is it I have a shit-ton of female friends? Usually it's gay guys that have so many female friends. I must have that gay vibe about me (smile and wink).

No: "ok cool, I'll call you sometime and we'll hangout." "Have a good night"
"Drive home safely"
Yes: "Cool. What was your name again? Oh, Stacey? Funny, the girl that lives next door and is always snooping around when I get home is also called Stacey. Don't go "Stacey" on me if we happen to talk again (wink and smile). Catch you later.