...is wrong.

I am an advocate of NOT thinking. Thinking is where all complexity arises, as the very nature of thinking is to question a force of life.

Don't get me wrong; thinking is necessary to challenge existing realities; BUT, only if the thinking leads towards a positive outcome or a new, improved "it" to replace an older "it"

As of now, 90% of us are not qualified or adept enough to think CORRECTLY. When we think, we tend to focus on the negatives of a subject, and try to implement our "own" positive spins on things. This is incorrect, because most of us don't know jack shit about anything.

If you challenge this notion, pause for a second, and take a look into your own life. Is what you do working? Are you getting results? Are you GOOD at what you do? Did you practice, WITHOUT THINKING, what is accepted as truth, then internalizing it well enough to ask positive "what if" questions?

If not, then thinking is detrimental. If you know nothing of a subject, and wish to think on it, you're brain will go on tilt, and the 60,000 thoughts you have PER SECOND will go into flux and chaos, bombarding your subconscious with relative material akin to you typing in "The answer" in google, and getting millions of sites and responses...

It's too fucking much to bear.

Pause. Rewind. Stop thinking.

What is religion? How does religion work? Why do people choose to believe in an imaginary force? (For the record, I'm Roman Catholic turned Christian, I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but I know enough to call the Papacy a fucking royal circus of a puppetshow).

Religion exists for the same reason currency exists: Faith.

Faith is merely the abscence of thinking. Faith is accepting something AS IT'S TOLD, without thinking about it. When you have FAITH in God, you practice religion. If you're Islamic, faith in Allah is your practice in motion. If you believe in Confucianism, belief in Confucius' laws is your faith in motion.

To believe...is to NOT think.

Mystery Method, David D, Juggler, Magic Bullets, The Black Book, Carlos Xuma (The man of PUA men, IMO)...all of them KNOW THEIR SHIT. Many question their YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND EXPERIMENTATION, and as a result, post "why don't I succeed"? or related postings.

Just BELIEVE in the stuff. Accept it as is. It is true; why would these guys lie to you?

When you start THINKING about PUA stuff, you get caught in a REALLY STRONG VORTEX of what ifs and possible NEGATIVE scenarios. THIS is why girls get creeped out; you're not congruent. You're failing to accept what works, and as a result, you act like you're lost in the Minotaur's Labyrinth, trying to find the exit.

There is no fucking minotaur; there is no labyrinth; all there is, is WHAT IT IS. All that exists is NOW.

When you read PUA material, ACCEPT IT AS TRUE. Why do otherwise? You're going to die anywhere between 1 minute-80 years. Death doesn't play favorites.

Maximize your assets. ACCEPT TRUTH!

THEN, when your ability becomes natural, THINK A BIT. You'll be in the right mode of deducing. You'll know enough by second nature that a slight time of thinking will allow you to do what's commonly called...INNOVATION, and you can create new value from old. Then, market it for $$$, and propel yourself upwards.



...I should have charged money for this post, but I'm giving it to you guys for free. I have to, it's the rules of the forum. I just gave you guys a fucking shitload of successful information to propel yourselves 100x forward.

But, it depends what frame you read it from.

STOP THINKING.
Bye.

Are you being serious?

This is exactly why people are turned into social robots. This is why people are easy to control. This is why people are betas instead of alphas.
Yeah sure, you can choose to accept a lot of bullshit anyone hands you but is that gonna help you up or drag you down. Its a 50 50 chance.

On the other hand if you think! THINK!!!! You can avoid the things that doesnt work and go for the ones that work.

Please people, do not stop thinking, this is what sets us apart from the mindless drones you see around you all the time. Ooooo, I believe in the teachings of Mystery and the holy whoever you choose to believe in. You start negging and praying and whoever knows what more stupid rituals you embrace just because it is all part of your belief.

You choose to believe in a lot of stuff that makes no sense. For the mere reason that you are like most of the average people in this world, a follower. A beta male. You look for someone providing simple answers, you seek someone who can tell you what you should do. It is a very effective way to always be right. "Hey, that guy in the ridiculus outfit (applies to Mystery and all priests of all religions) told me to do it, so I did, its not my fault."

I am an atheist, or agnostic or whatever you wanna call it. I dont wanna say anything bad about anyones religion here. It is not my intention. But I still say that the danger of religion is when you stop thinking. This is when you accept that some other power, human or divine, is in control of your life.

Thinking is the key! Use your brain, it is there for a reason.

Critically judge every single piece of information you get from anyone anywhere at any time. This is your duty! Your responsability.

Examples of when things have gone bad because people didnt think and just believed.

1. Germany gave up their democratic rights because they had a leader they believed in. Yes, the second world war was terrible.

2. The christians went on a crusade to christen people in the middle east because the pope said so. And killed a lot of people.

3. People are constantly fighting all over the world because they follow a leader.

4. Racism exists because people wanna feel like they belong to a group. They are not like us, people we have faith in tell us that they are bad so lets all hate them.

5. Soccer hooligans beat each other up because the others like the wrong team.

6. People use the Mystery method in a completely wrong way because they just believe and dont think it through. It is actually pretty good if you are smart enough to see through the obvious part and the part behind that.

7. Suicide cults exist. There is a charismatic leader and people kill themselves because they believe in him or her. That sucks.



So PLEASE! People, do NOT stop thinking! That is the most stupid thing you can do.

It wont help your game, you can still use the power of now the OP is so in love with. You just have to learn to think faster and make decisions faster.

Making a decision is what you are gonna want. It is better to make a bad decision than to not make a decision at all. Keep moving forwards. BUT DONT STOP THINKING!!!!!

Have I made myself clear!

Please dont be stupid!

Ezo

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Yes. Why?
Social Robot Vs. Critically Thinking Dweller In Darkness.

On one end of the spectrum, you're spiraling downward into nothingness, losing all you have, merely by thinking on what ISN'T the moment.

On the "social robot" level, you do as the moment requires, as long as it works. You get results that way. Hey, you compromise your ability to deduce what is right and wrong, but you get certain positive results out of it. By THINKING on certain subjects, you distract yourself from the moment, and fail to maximize it, leaving yourself vulnerable to takeover by people who DON'T THINK, and DO. If you're looking north, and I attack from the east, west, or south, you're vulnerable from those 3 ends, period. If you turn south, you're vulnerable from east, west, and north.

The moment is what matters. If you MUST "Think", Think in terms of RIGHT NOW.
Are you not ALREADY thinking in the moment? Why THINK...ELSEWHERE?

THAT'S what I'm getting at. We ALL think constantly, every moment of our lives; it's when we think OUTSIDE of the moment that we're in trouble.

When I say think, I primarly mean CRITICAL THINKING, which, at it's root, is THINKING...out of the moment; it's thinking on an alternate past or future that DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW. That is thinking. Normal trains of "thought" are merely being present in the moment, and deciding the best course of action AT THE MOMENT. In the frame of a "PUA", the moment requires one to follow the rules of the PUA, 100%, faithfully, without question. You're THINKING...in terms of a PUA.

CRITICAL THOUGHT...takes a situation where you're thinking as a "PUA", but decide to think things as an AMOG, and then as an AFC, and then as a one legged pirate hooker, and then as Elmo from Sesame Street, and then as Cthulu, etc...

THEN, you continue that THINKING process by crossing those views, and trying to find the one "correct" answer, which is RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FUCKING FACE the whole time, and that answer is HERE RIGHT NOW!
No, do stop thinking.
Stop CRITICAL THOUGHT.

Stop thinking on what isn't NOW.
Do girls make sense?


Why would I want a complex answer?
Or, rather, I ask certain questions to certain people who have a certain thing I certainly want, most certainly.
If I want to learn how to bake a cake, I go to a baker
If I want to learn how to fix a backyard, I'd talk to a landscaper
If I want to learn how to get more pussy, I'd talk to the guy who has 3 hot girls hanging off his cock.

Asking anyone else anything that isn't related to their speciality will waste my time, and their time. Time is lovely. THINKING kills time. Thinking is ugly.

Simple is good. Complex is bad. Hot objects burn hands, cold objects freeze hands, warm objects feel comfy on hands.

2+2=4
My dick is 10 inches long
Brown rice is healthy.
Terrorists are mean people.

It is what it is.
If it works, sure.
But if something they said does NOT WORK for me, I will not do it, because it doesn't work.

Mystery, on peacocking, defines it as wearing standout items to attract women. I utilize peacocking in my own "Rune" way, and it works. BUT, I see Mystery wearing feather boas and mink scarves and platform boots, and I think "Fag", so I don't copy mystery's bizzare circus style, because for ME, it DOES NOT WORK.

I said follow what works, what I didn't mention what that DIFFERENT THINGS WORK FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE. I am Rune, Ezo is Ezo, AFC Adam is AFC Adam, Cornbread Boy is Cornbread Boy, etc...

But, whatever you do, DON'T THINK. Do. If it works for you (i.e: Gets you what YOU want), then accept it as fact, and do it. Don't question it, don't fuck around with it. DO, NO THINK).
Ok, cool.
Don't. That's mean.
Good.
That's you. IT WORKS for you Ezo. I believe in the Bible (Not literally, but the messages behind the bullshit stories). I have my own belief. You have yours)

Whatever it is, DON'T THINK, do. Don't question, accept. Accept what WORKS...FOR YOU, and don't question it.
I respect your view. IT WORKS for you.
I think differently, IT WORKS for me.

If you and I, Ezo, were at the club, picking up chicks, we would do what WORKS...FOR US. And then we have royal orgy with 4 HB10s, and be merry ever after.

See?
TO DEATH!
Yeah, to KILL ANY CHANCE you have at succeeding.
(you understand where I'm coming from, right?)
NOOO!!
That's called "NOT WORKING"
How can you tell others that? For the most part, IT DOESN'T WORK for thm...

Oh wait a sec...you sly dog you. NEITHER of our views work for others, because we only know ourselves...

Well, it still applies on a general level: Whatever works for you, works for you, and what WORKS...is what gets you WHAT YOU WANT. Do you KNOW what you want?
Rune

Apart from our other disagreements I think this is the core of what we wanna discuss.

I understand what is so alluring about the power of now but you are making a big mistake. You think that you have to give up critical thinking in order to grab the moment and get what you want.

I think, constantly. I will never EVER give up critical thinking, this is what saves us from being betamales, followers. I will never EVER advise anyone against critical thinking and on this point I will never agree with you.

Im gonna try to convince you that it is possible to still grab the moment by the balls and get something out of it. All while thinking critically.

I have been in situations where students (wingmen) have stopped whatever they do in order to analyze it. That completely sucks. I have also told them "Dont think, just do what I tell you and its gonna be fine.". But what I mean is, "Dont think it through right now, not on the expense of opening the set.".

I want them to think things over when they are back home after the sarge, I want everyone to critically think over whatever I am saying in my posts. To fit it into their own reality. To see if it makes sense or not.

Your power comes from siezing the moment and for that you stop thinking.

Part of my power comes from identifying what is important and fuck everything else. For that you need critical thinking.

I still sieze the day. I still use the power of now. I just take a split second to decide if what someone says is important or not. It doesnt take time.

Example:
Ezo: Hey I see a girl.
Wingman: Yeah, that is a mixed 4 set, high bitch shield, thats an AMOG.
Ezo: Fuck that, doesnt matter. - Hey people...

You see, if it doesnt matter I dont care. One thing I can agree with you on is that things that doesnt matter doesnt deserve the energy it takes to care about them. Those thoughts should be used elsewhere.

But you need critical thinking, that is what makes you smart instead of stupid. You arent easily controlled and shit.

You are free to believe in whatever you want to believe, sure.

However, one interesting point is that we are in fact discussing this over the forum. This indicates that you are in fact thinking. Critically. You write stuff coming from your brain in order to induce a thought in my brain. I do the same to you. None of us is prepared to just accept the others viewpoint, especially not without figuring out what the pros and cons are. This is critical thinking. So just by debating this very question, you have admitted to thinking critically. You admit that you would rather go for your own beliefs and trust what your brain tells you than go for advice given by some guy over the forum. You are critically judging your sources. Isnt that exactly what you are telling others not to? I believe, that if people learned to think and stopped worrying about things that arent important, the world would be a better place.
So in summary. Yes, sieze the moment. No, dont stop thinking! The two arent exclusive.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

please put up a warning guys if your going to post these huge WALL OF TEXT MY EYES ARE KILLING ME!

...

To critically think...to live in the moment.

I've been on both ends of the spectrum, moreso the critical thought aspect. I used to question and evaluate a lot of what I do, and tried to find the "one magic answer" to further my own life.

But, instead, I found myself mired in negativity and the past, and tried to use what I thought to forge a non-existent future.

Through experiences talking with people, I accredited thinking with being out of tune with everyone, and as a result, I found myself isolated by others. Sure, girls would kino me, say hi, and flirt with me on occasion, but I could never hold a decent length convo with them, neither could I escalate with them; I'm about as socially adept as a meathead ape; girls love me, but I can't seem to reach them at heart.

When I've made the decision to "stop thinking", I found that I was immensely happier; I didn't have a worry of the world. Yet, I'm still in the same place I was before socially; the only thing that changed was me.

...Basically, it seems I've stopped challenging norms, and accept what life gives to me. Yet, when I seek more, I find myself wanting to have it all, and I lose track of my present.

On one side, I'm happy, but unfulfilled. On the other, I'm fulfilled, but unhappy.



A word that keeps coming back to me is BALANCE. The middle ground; the fusion of one and the other to make YOU.


...I can get results with "not thinking", and I usually end up somewhat happy at that moment, but then, I find I'm not pushing myself forward. When I used to push myself forward, I would be dissapointed, because I didn't get what I want, and I was unhappy, but I had my goals in sight.

...what's the middle area? How do I balance "Not thinking", and "Thinking"?

Can I pursue my goals while staying in the present.

I feel uncomfortable saying this, but I am open for a new perspective, as long as it WORKS.

Then we agree on that at least... Only you dont know if it works until you try...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

@RVAIS: LOL! You get used to it. If not, just use the power of the scroll wheel.

I get what Rune says, that "thinking too much is evil", as I'm currently dealing with that particular demon when approaching people. Ezo also has a point in that you still have to have the power to analyze a situation, as not every event in life can be scripted. In effect, you're both right, but only from your own perspectives.

Bruce Lee had a good point on this with Jeet Kune Do: He said that in martial arts, all methods and fighting forms were meant to be learned and then forgotten. That doesn't mean take the knowledge and throw it away later, it means practicing, analyzing, correcting, then perfecting every single punch, kick and block until everything becomes instinctual. At that point, your mind no longer wastes time concentrating on the details, and can focus on the big picture. The same carries over to music....you learn the music 'till it's memorized, then you can focus on the subtleties such as phrasing, dynamics and warmth.

Every thing in life is meant to be analyzed by the human mind, and social events are no different. But events that are repeated over and over (You: "Hi, how're you doing?", Me: "Hey there! I'm doing fine....you?") are internalized to the point that they become instinct and are no longer worthy of a person's concentration. The trick is to replace a lifetime of unfulfilling social learning, and replace them with better, more-rewarding social instincts.

A new dimension of awareness popped up in my head.

"Not thinking" was merely a vague choice of words for what I was trying to convey.

By "not thinking", I now know that I meant "Not thinking outside the MOMENT".



So, to tie in what I've already delivered to the site:


When I say "Don't think", or "Stop thinking", or "Thinking destroys you"...the root of that is "Don't think outside the moment" and "Stop thinking on what isn't RIGHT NOW, in the MOMENT" or "Thinking about what isn't NOW, in the MOMENT, destroys you".

The key words are NOW, MOMENT, RIGHT NOW...anything implying NOW.

You CAN think...but in terms of NOW.
Don't think in terms of NOT NOW.

What is NOT NOW?
I can't list them all, the factors are endless, and IRRELEVANT.

What matters is this PRESENT MOMENT. RIGHT NOW.

If you must "think" (Think, as in critically deduce your next course of action), do so in terms of what is IMMEDIATELY in your MOMENT, RIGHT NOW. That's what I meant when I say "don't think, blah blah blah".

So, I think we've all reached an understanding, and everything is now tied in.

Sorry for the confusion. I hoped this clarified everything.

You just went back up on my list of people who actually make sense.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Ima noobie at Pickup.

I definately agree with Rune and Ezo.
I see how parts of their arguments can clash, but from my limited experience, I think you have to have a mix of these two elements.

EX: But Be4 looking at a group, a brief observation is necessary, but overthinking fucks your game.

I was talking to Rune about how I was pussying out of approaching cuz I not only observed the set I was about to approach, i overthought, started critical thinking, and had AA get to me.
I should've lived in the moment, 3 second rule, walked up, opened, and be the natural I am.

-Sil3nt

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Well, we mainly disagreed on every single thing here...
This is the number one reason why people disagree. We come from different places. We all focus on whatever we see as a difficulty. Rune has come from a place where he thinks that acting is more important than thinking because he has had a problem with this. (Sorry if Im wrong here man.)
I have always been annoyed by people who doesnt think before they do stuff, which results in them doing truly stupid things that hurt others.

I have never ever had a problem with AA. I have made a decision to never hesitate when approaching a set. But I think before I do it. I formulate a gameplan. Not because I am afraid but I calibrate what the best thing to do would be. This doesnt take long. It is not because of me pussying out, I can do it. I just wanna do it right.

I would have no problems opening Carmen Miranda with "Is there a banana in your pocket or are you just happpy to see me?". I could do that no problems. But where would that land me? Nowhere! Better to scan the room. Is there a close set from which I can forward merge? Is there a chance that I know any of her friends? Which one is the alpha male? Whats her mood. What does her bodylanguage tell me?

Normally these thoughts doesnt take very long. I have time to stand up, talk to my wing about how nice the place is, generate some social proof and shit. And then go for it.

But something I would never do is to not approach because I am thinking. If you wanna live the NOW, learn to THINK FASTER!

Ezo

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I come from the academic critical thinker side of things; as a result, I never learned how to act, let alone act in the moment.

As of now, I have realized the power of now is where all success in any field is achieved.

...We understand one another.

I come from the same place. But... I got tired of hesitating so I found a way to fuse the two. A way that works for me.

Yes, we understand each other.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

You have different viewpoints, they do not necessarily clash, I'd prefer taking the best of both worlds (no pun intended).

~~~ ^That's your personality. Some guys are just scared and imagine the worst case scenario from the get go, or what I used to do, pawn of small and insignificant reasons why I shouldn't approach the set.
^I agree lol, and it's difficult sometimes.

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