I dont even know where to start!

First of all, all of the commercial methods like MM are simplified models that are best used as learning, understanding and leaving.

The "community" does not tell people that they have to do certain things, they do not say that you have to do them all. These techniques are just there to use in case you have problems with a certain part of your game.

I can agree on some of your points, a lot of stuff in the commercial models are unnecessary or at least not required if you have a good personality and balls (inner game). It is the attitude towards this forum that I object against. We are not mindlessly trying to make you all into Mystery clones. (Ok Mystery is great, he has done a lot of stuff for the community!!!) But all of those techniques will hopefully lead you all to the point where you do not need to use them. And... Practice does help!

If a newbie asks a specific question to a specific technique I will STILL!!! try to give him the response that will help HIM in HIS situation. All of us are at a different level in this game. Some are not just ready for the inner secrets yet!

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Just because i like to be an asshole and disagree with people all the time; you're retarded. or shall i say, "miss-informed" and ignorant.

1. You approach a lot of women, because it will builds confidence that you have some control in how interactions go. So you don't fear the unknown of it.
Any better suggestions on how you do this? I'd love to hear it.

2. 90% is something i don't completely agree with, but you're TALKING 90% percent of the time and talking is not the only form of communicating. If she's listening, giving you IOI's and even only contributing 10% of spoken language, then she's invested also.

3. You always wanna be with people you you feel are better then you, the quickest way to do that is DHV'ing, usually through stories. Anytime you've heard a story about someone and you felt more respect for them, that's DHV and why wouldn't you want to do it? Correctly of course.

4. Social proof is just another way of showing dominance and importance, there's no reason to try and not do it. That's basically TRYING to make people think you are a socially ignorant loser.

5. Approach Anxiety is something everyone has when they start, and if you can give it a name and reason it makes it much easier to combat.

6. You must not have many AMOG friends. AMOGs take away power and show dominance at almost a subconscious level, and they do it consciously too, it's easy to point out a leader of a group and AMOGs always want that position.

7. False dis-qualifiers are used in the very beginning before she "likes" you, per-say. And if you ever used one correctly, you'd see the power in them.

8. Pea-cocking can be as simple as dressing nicely and congruently to your attitude.


Everything with women is our mindsets and their emotions. So no matter how you want to knock it, all of those things are used to either entice her or help your mindset. Mystery, has had sex with more women then you ever will and his method is almost the least effective out of the guru's.



and truly if this is all such bullshit, then how has it worked for the majority of guys here who actually UNDERSTAND it?

Some good points in there. I have to question one of them - Doing a lot of talking. I have been in the situation too often to be frank where I have taken a backseat in talking and the woman has almost monopolised it. Did I get laid? NO WAY. You just become a listener , just someone they can verbalise all the shit in their lives.You become an emotional tampon.
On the subject of talking I think most gurus encourage men to actually resist filling in awkward gaps in a conversation so that you can see if the woman attempts to fill it herself.

I find it interesting that the original poster manman said he won't back down but he hasn't responed once to all the critique he got...hm

Or maybe he realized that he was simply critisizing mystery method and not the community

I'm just thinking out loud by writing

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I feel that you don't quite understand the point of this website or the community. I sit here looking at these posts and I ask myself. Does he not see what he is saying, does he not understand what is truly going on here?

Let me take a moment to explain.

This website, this community exists to teach guys that are unaware, uneducated, unsure, or even just completely clueless.

A lot of guys are unaware of the fact that you can go out and introduce yourself to women and be accepted. They may be completely uneducated on what to say to start the conversation.

Lets take a moment to think about this.
Are you telling me every guy you know, every guy you have ever met can successfully walk up to a set and introduce himself without being nervous, and they just start talking and are immediately accepted?

If so I must be the only guy that never even THOUGHT of the idea of meeting women in public places without being introduced. If someone would have asked me to walk up to a set and talk with them 3 years ago I would have said nobody can do that.

I was uneducated on how to meet women. Nobody ever said "Aaron, you can meet girls in public places and this is how." If they had said that I would appreciate someone giving me a few lines to at least open with.

Some people in the "community" just want to make money. Who cares? I would like you to give me one example of a "community" that doesn't make a profit off of people.

A lot of people in this community want help or want to help. Thats all.

Methods are developed as ways to identify most things that happen during socialization of this kind. Knowing about DHV can increase your odds of being successful. Its not an item, its not something you can hold, its an idea that if you DHV then your chances go up. Same for AA. AA isn't a product or something your born with it just is.

What you are saying was quite frankly poorly constructed, not well thought out, and really has no point.

I think it's an ongoing battle between grabbing free material from the net and the Gurus coming up with new angles to sell the same (or very similar) stuff again and again. Nearly all the stuff I've read so far is very similar at it's *core*. I've yet to pay any significant money on pua product.Why should I when I can search and download the material?

I would pay however to see stuff being done in real life. I think small group or even 1 to 1 coaching would be excellent.

To me the essential things being said by the various gurus are:- Women liked to be approached , in the right way; be confident; be positive; don't put up with shit from women; be flirty and sexual to avoid the friend zone.

Methods = Confidence boost

Wow, I did post this, I still stand 100% behind it, for those of you who stay on the computer and post and jack off. Your STILL not getting laid, i am (by hotties too), i ve hoped you changed, and dropped the nonsense seduction bs.... after around 500$ wasted and women STILL dont like you..For those of you that backed me up, I hope you are having the success you want.

2 years later bitches....

and what helped me out i have to say....Cory skyy magnetic mindset, and learning to truly love myself. The broads are asking ME out. . I dont even approach, if i do, its because its fun.

manman,

I guess what you are trying to say is that if you love yourself and you act like you don't care women will flock to you? I am not sure that's always true. Women like men are attracted to looks, you might have the looks they want. I am an average looking guy, I am tall carry myself well and I smile a lot. However, when I go out to a club or a bar I don't have women approaching me. I just think that your perception is built on things you may not be giving enough credit to. Like your looks, or maybe even your associations with different groups.

I am curious, do these connections you are having with females, are they strangers, or friends or people that may know you or your social network?

I feel that when I hook a girl and she starts to like me, I don't have to say much but until then I really have to work for that attraction? Correct me if I am wrong but a lot of guys are dealing with the same issues I am dealing with and standing there happy with yourself will not attract tail in any situation, Unless you got the looks or game.

I hear ya, its ANY female...anywhere.. Its about your inner confidence TRULY.. Women dont give a shit about my looks, lol i can attest to that..

Here's something you can work with.... Listen to Brent Smith podcasts.. its about not wanting anything from the woman......and Cory skyy magnetic mindset...YOU being the prize, YOU being the sexy mother fucker...Not the woman...
Loving and truly accepting yourself, with ALL your flaws...meaning get a pen and paper and write everything about you, write all the good that happened to you in the past, write the things you like, the things you dislike...... (crucial to your success), cause the only way you are gonna truly have your choice with women is to Love yourself 100%..

Thats the inner confidence part..

As for the outer part...

Look man, get your inner part DOWN packed, spend like a month or 2, forget about talking to women, or having women attracted to you, forget everything about women and seduction...

Now, for the outer part.....Which WONT work, unless you do the inner part...

First of all and the MOST important...STOP READING FORUMS...Stop reading websites,on seduction, let go of all that, the more you study that, the more you WONT get laid.....period....try me buddy.. Now, granted, you want to follow the way of brent smith, in not persuing... But here's the buzz.....

One of the things that truly made me great with women, was smiling and eye contact, when you get used to looking women deep into their eyes a lot, preferably with a smile, they will be turned on...But you see its much deeper than women, it comes down to your inner game...that will decide how you act and everything....Now Brent smith will say not to ask for their number, but thats HIM, you can ask for her number but make it very casual, just in a friendly way...the less you want from the girl, the more she wants you....AS LONG AS YOU,,,,YOU ARE THE PRIZE.

Next big tip: Dont give a fuck what women are thnking, or saying for the most part, it will fuck your game up, think for yourself, say what YOU want to say....

The basics.....Here is me........I am casual, not worried about anything, love myself, and Im at the gas station,, I see a cute girl pumping gas on the side of me, I look dead into her eyes and Speak to her, usually by something I observed....for ex "How you doing today? gas is pretty expensive huh?"...and you just shut the fuck up and let her talk...you want to show confidence just by fearlessly talkibng to a strange women, no man in this day and age will do that...........if you are a VERY bad looking guy appearance wise, so the fuck what, tease her a little bit, it will turn her on, women manipulate men, so we can manipulate them lol... No big deal......

Uh oh.

*You need to approach ALOT of women to be good with women (Wrong. This is counterproductive. ACKNOWLEDING what works is what makes you "good")

*You need to talk 90% of the time (or..be the dancing monkey qualifying the SHIT out of himself) 90/10 rule (Wrong. You need to build an ideal vibe; a positive flow of words.

*You must demonstrate higher value. (Right, but not explained clearly: You must view yourself as higher value, and others will act appropriately)

*You need social proof (Again, a product of who you are)

*You can never get rid of "approach anxiety" (a fake community term) (Bullshit. You certainly can; it's called experience)

*AMOG, oh please like other guys are TRYING to make you look bad. (AMOG is derogatory; it's essentially either a natural, or a "PUA" that's become "that good")

*You need to 'disqualify' a girl that likes you...nice (Bullshit. If she does good, reward. If she does bad, punish)

*Peakocking (Well-meant, but many misinterpret)
Totally.
Correct.
Perception
Instead, that's the cause of heart strain and madness.
Quality not quantity
Listen and DO are two different things.

















(I think that's all there is to be said).

Now while I'm someone who doesn't tend to agree with most of the community bullshit, I don't entirely agree with everything you say...

*You need to approach ALOT of women to be good with women

*You need to talk 90% of the time (or..be the dancing monkey qualifying the SHIT out of himself) 90/10 rule [I too disagree partially, it comes down to the situation, but I don't believe you have to 90/10 if you have the ability to get them to talk, which I more often than not have. People should learn this.]

*You must demonstrate higher value. [Well you certainly wouldn't wanna display low value, however, I think people misunderstand how to display value... if you display typically 'low value' behaviour, but you are comfortable in it, and don't care peoples views, this becomes high value. Displaying value should be a passive, not active process]

*You need social proof [You don't, but in certain situaitons it can be a mega boost.]

*You can never get rid of "approach anxiety" (a fake community term) [Why is it fake? I know plenty of people who have anxieties when it comes to approaching people, they've never heard of 'approach anxiety'.]

*AMOG, oh please like other guys are TRYING to make you look bad. [Again, a commonly misunderstood term, people think amog means 'guy who tries to be a prick to every other guy'... he could be the calmest most mellow member of the group.]

*You need to 'disqualify' a girl that likes you...nice [You don't *need* to, infact, if you knew she likes you, theres no need to disqualify her, it's on. Disqualifying girls tends to be pretty useful if you know how/why/when to use it]

*Peakocking [my friend has an afro, loads of people open him because of it, this helps bring people to you.]


You know what I think of the above? Well... I think you said it best...


You just said 'The community is teaching bullshit', then went on to spew more community bullshit. You're fighting a community trend, with another community trend. Rather than focussing on being good with chicks, it focusses on being 'opposite' of the typical community style which makes it just as bad as the other.


Meh.



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Hey hey, let's be nice. =p.

In of itself, this thread is merely a negative diversion that pulls away from what really works...

...which is going in, in that moment, and going BOOYAKA.

Or, doing what works, at the right moment, correctly, without question, 100% faithfully, without second thought, she's looking at your cock, you disqualify her, pull her in, say "Let's go eat. I'm hungry", and then...somehow, you end up at her house to feed her dog....WAM!

Or...I'm too tired to type.

To be continued

Everything you're spewing can be found in "the community". You're not enlightening anybody when you talk about inner game.