Hey guys. I've had a GF for so long and i really miss this community. ANyway...i always think PUA and i will never stop b/c it's so damn cool. Here's an observation from some naturals.

They cross their arms a lot, but never legs. There's this one alpha in school that a good amount of the time, will have his legs very far spread, exposing his genitals, but will have his arms crossed. It seems that a lot of naturals cross their arms, not in a timid way, but more of a way to keep people at a distance sort of way. The vibe is not "protect myself" but rather "you're not worthy enough yet to allow you into my space world".

Sought after girls cross their legs A LOT, almost seems like the equivalent to a alpha male's crossed arms. It isn't seen as a DLV if a girl crosses her legs, just that you don't have the rapport/attraction needed, and she's letting you know that by her closed off gesture. I don't take it to mean "she's closed off and will remain so because she's insecure" but rather "i'm not seen as valuable enough to have excess to her vagina".

Plus....if a guy is crossing his arms and keeping the GIRL out, yet is remaining conversational and friendly..wouldn't that give the impression to a female such as "he's giving me a shot by talking to me, but i'm not worthy enough to get complete access to him" or "he hasn't decided that i'm worthy of his time", etc. Giving the female the impression of a selective person, a guarded person on whom he allows into his world, and the muscles/veins of the forearm signals strength and health but above all(i think), HE'S doing the selection/screening.

Whatcha think?

the thing is, it does keep a seperation. So something more like parade rest is far more alpha as it gives off that powerful look but maintains accessibility.


then again...as I've gotten more alpha I'm crossing my arms more....and Parade Rest less....but that might be because I don't like being lumped with the boot Marines.

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I think thats some good insight. there are so many ways to communicate that somtimes we forget a lot of what we say/do has to be taken in context and in combonation to other things. I think this could be a good advantage

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On the other hand. If you are truly alpha you can forget about all of these rules. You will still be alpha.

I cross my arms more nowadays as well, but in a different way. I stand tall and do it because it is comfortable, not because I am trying to protect myself. There is a difference.

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same here lol

according to Marine NCOs its a symbol of authority, as is why the junior enlisted can't cross their arms when talking to an NCO

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Ezo Is right.

There is far to much made of this.
Alpha. This is the only term on this forum that makes me laugh.

Never mimic what you are not.
Just be the best you... You can be.
Most of these so called alpha's go through life untested until the real men turn up.
The most powerful people keep a low profile and keep a veil over it.


A real alpha would be able to look accross at the women and make them slowly uncross there legs.

A lot of these big alpha types scare women.

I think the community does have a tendancy to read into body language way to much.

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Its all to easy.

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Body language shows how we truely feel. If you're 'open' you will automaticly have an open posture. The way to benefit from body language is to control your posture in the way that make you want to feel. I can't imagine crossed arms being alpha in a good way, it's alpha in some way, but remember crossed arms is seen as an 'aggresive' posture. It means you're closed up and not accessible. Don't think it works like; I'm not letting her get my full attention so she has to work for it. If you're closed up she'll read your body language in a negative way and eventually stop trying, unless you have some messed up girl infront of you.

As for the arms crossed postures there is of course a difference. Balled fists and crossed arms means a person is mad or irritated somehow and might get very aggresive. The crossed arms with hands under the armpits with the thumbs up shows convidence, the 'I know everything' kind of posture. And there's the flat hands to the chest/belly crossed arms, which shows insecurity or someone not being comfortable with the situation.

Also you should know that women can read bodylanguage 10 times better than a man does. Some gestures might be invisible for us men, but might be very clear to women. How do you think women always seem to 'feel' when you're lying to them?

As for 'I find it a comfortable posture'. You'll feel closed somehow if you naturally cross your arms. And if you feel that way it's natural you will think crossing your arms is comfortable. This also works the other way around. If you force yourself to take in a position you'll start feeling that way. If you're happy and comfortable in your situation you'll have an open posture. Then, try crossing your arms and have a closed posture for a while. You'll start feeling uncomfortable somehow and it in fact does change the way you feel.

Eitherway an open posture is always better. Why? Because your body is open for a possible 'attack', meaning that you got control of the situation and have no fear for anything at all. And this is the true meaning of alpha isn't it? Just because some 'alpha' guy has his arms crossed (spread legs though) doesn't mean it's an alpha posture perse.

Unless you're ready for a fight I suggest not having crossed arms (except for the 'know it all' posture) at all. It's a lose lose situation if you ask me. You show insecurity and that's not alpha and you're closed so don't expect other people to start interacting with you.

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I'm not saying, crossing your arms and having a scowl on your face. I'm saying you're still smiling/talkative/joking but i'd def say calibrate. Like, if she genuinely says something interesting/funny/witty, then drop the arms, kino her up and get closer to her. And yeah, arms under the armpits def is a more relaxed stance then balled up fists and tight arms across the chest.

And to the dude who said "PUA puts too much value on body language". Go into the real world please and actually make OBSERVATIONS so you can "see" how important and telling non verbal communication is for good communication, rapport, esculation, fuck..any form of calibration you NEED to rely on as many cues as possible, preferably non verbal ones.