ive realised in most of these topics u guys talk about MM and how to do openers and that.. but isnt direct also very effective as long as ur confident in wat u say?
lets say i walk up to a chick and say 'u know what? i think ur cute. are u as interesting as u look?' i mean thats alreadi giving her a higher value right?
im so confused here... lol

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All depends really. More likely she gets that done on her though.

Telling her you are into her, is just stating a fact; it's not giving her any more value or power over you than you before.

Does this happen to girls more often?

Sometimes, sometimes not; it's largely dependant on the demographic that you are in.

And most of the time it is nothing like a direct opener; more just "HEY YOUR CUTE!" then 10 minutes later the guy wanders out or folds if he meets any resistance.

How it works

Section 1
Woman likes man, man shows interest = result

The problem comes when woman doesn't like man, man shows interest, woman finds it awkward.

actually thinking about it it's can be more like this
woman doesn't like man, woman perceives man likes her (true or not), woman finds it awkward. (see section 3)

But at some point you need to show interest or it'll never go anywhere.

Section 2
- The beauty of indirect is you are giving the woman more chance to come to like you before you show interest. You can also gauge if she likes you some what before you show your interest.
- The problem with indirect is some women just aren't looking, or just aren't attracted to you and either she never will be or you'll have to spend way too much effort to make her attracted.

- The problem with direct is you run the risk of showing your interest when she may not be attracted (not so good if you have to see her again). Also it's very first impressions orientated*
- The beauty of direct is you find out if she likes you or not quickly and so you don't waist any time. You can move onto the next one.

So do direct online where you can easily move onto the next one. Do direct for cold approaches in a club where you won't see the girls again.

Do indirect in social circle etc.

*first impressions
These are based on how good looking you are (girls go for different types so this is subjective), how well dressed, your confidence, the mates you're with / girls you're with and perceived status like working behind the bar etc.

Section 3
Here's what I do though. Direct doesn't have to be "you're hot". In a club the mere fact of talking to a girl mean she assumes you're hitting on her so you can say pretty much anything and see if she responds. Same with online. Use your cold approach as a compliance test to see how interested she is. Rejection is part of this game. If she responds and has time for you step it up with more sexual kino, see if she accepts it, if she does go for the make out. Basically you have to do the numbers.

Indirect - best way to be really indirect is to have a legit and congruent reason to approach them and meet them again other than you clearly being attracted to her. Like if they are a friend of a friend or you need them for some business idea like entourage game etc. The beauty is you can bring them into your environment and let them get to know you over time building up comfort, familiarity and let them see all the sides of your personality.

I'm trying entourage game now and it's a totally different game equally as difficult for different reasons. I'm hoping to get both but this journey is one filled with highs and lows, frustration and epiphanies.

Don't tell me you back out the second you meet resistance. A large portion of good direct game is being able to adapt and continue even when the girl may not want to sleep with you for whatever reason.

maggot88

In response to Fin, you need to use your own judgement

I think its better to not go in direct or indirect, but simply go in. Like you would if you seen someone you used to work with and wanted to say hi. As you enter, asume you both have the same value, or better yet, forget about value. Be interesting, then from there dial up the interest. Value is not as important as the vibe you give off. Fun is fun, if Brad pit wants to talk about chess and bob from accounting is talking about how he went snowboarding whilst juggling knives to raise money for blind kids. Brads out of luck.

Use your own for judgement for what?

Alot of people think direct game works in 5 seconds; that it's just 1. Hey I think you're cute! 2. Her response 3. DONE!

It's far more intricate, it's actually more subtle than most people think and goes on well past the opener. It's not dependant on whether she likes you when you open any more than indirect is.

Think you're missing the point Fin

Reread my post and think of what you replied, you'll see that we agree

Explain it, all I can see is a very vague statement (whether this is deliberate or not is unclear).

And I would disagree, with everything in "section 2" apart from "it saves you time" for direct game. Mainly becuase section 1 is one outcome and a rarity at that, and there is zero risk in putting your like/lust for her on the table.

However I readily agree with the proposals made in "section 3".