quick question, what do you guys think is the more effective gaming method? i have found myself gaming abit online when im not out and just to pass the time really, im not taking it seriously, im just using it to try openers and to see how hard it is to get a phone number online.

what im wondering tho is what is more effective, indirect for example the mystery method is what i have lived by for months and months but that doesnt seem to work online, when im direct i have noticed better results and its easier to hook the girl... but is this the same in live game like in a club or should i stick to indirect?

How I think it works

Section 1
Woman likes man, man shows interest = result

The problem comes when woman doesn't like man, man shows interest, woman finds it awkward.

actually thinking about it it's can be more like this
woman doesn't like man, woman perceives man likes her (true or not), woman finds it awkward. (see section 3)

But at some point you need to show interest or it'll never go anywhere.

Section 2
- The beauty of indirect is you are giving the woman more chance to come to like you before you show interest. You can also gauge if she likes you some what before you show your interest.
- The problem with indirect is some women just aren't looking, or just aren't attracted to you and either she never will be or you'll have to spend way too much effort to make her attracted.

- The problem with direct is you run the risk of showing your interest when she may not be attracted (not so good if you have to see her again). Also it's very first impressions orientated*
- The beauty of direct is you find out if she likes you or not quickly and so you don't waist any time. You can move onto the next one.

So do direct online where you can easily move onto the next one. Do direct for cold approaches in a club where you won't see the girls again.

Do indirect in social circle etc.

*first impressions
These are based on how good looking you are (girls go for different types so this is subjective), how well dressed, your confidence, the mates you're with / girls you're with and perceived status like working behind the bar etc.

Section 3
Here's what I do though. Direct doesn't have to be "you're hot". In a club the mere fact of talking to a girl mean she assumes you're hitting on her so you can say pretty much anything and see if she responds. Same with online. Use your cold approach as a compliance test to see how interested she is. Rejection is part of this game. If she responds and has time for you step it up with more sexual kino, see if she accepts it, if she does go for the make out. Basically you have to do the numbers.

Indirect - best way to be really indirect is to have a legit and congruent reason to approach them and meet them again other than you clearly being attracted to her. Like if they are a friend of a friend or you need them for some business idea like entourage game etc. The beauty is you can bring them into your environment and let them get to know you over time building up comfort, familiarity and let them see all the sides of your personality.

I'm trying entourage game now and it's a totally different game equally as difficult for different reasons. I'm hoping to get both but this journey is one filled with highs and lows, frustration and epiphanies.

Doesnt matter. Both?

When you know what you are doing you no longer need to follow the rules...

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