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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 5:33 pm 
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For a while now, I've seen newbies pushing themselfs, stressing themself to get better, and clearly come a far way.

It makes me happy to see how much they've changed, how much they've progressed... sometimes it sounds like they're doing everything fine. It's hard to see what they're doing wrong.

Sometimes I can see what they're doing wrong, but never been able to explain what it was they're doing wrong.

I was just speaking with one guy I know has been trying hard to improve, and I finally think I've worked out the biggest most commonly unnoticed factor that is fucking up newbies.

It all comes back to neediness, but it's expressing itself slightly covertly, and it's not the whole of the problem.


It's often when guys say they're 'teasing' a girl, or they're trying to run some kind of statements.

They'll say things like:

- "I can tell you're..."
- "I can see you..."

followed by some random statement.

Where this goes wrong is it is overly rapport seeking, and comes across that way, failing that you make yourself look stupid if it isn't true. It's a lose lose situation.

It's like saying 'look at me, look at how well I know you'. It's seeking her approval, and makes you look even more stupid if your judgement is wrong. And it usually IS wrong because guys are making ridiculous comments because they think it will help escalate things.


It could be just a case of removing the 'I can tell/see...' part of it. And just straight up call her it.

for example...

AFC: "I can tell you like being different..." Girl thinks: " err, no not really... :roll:"
---I this example, a girl will likely ask 'why?' and the afc will chase down that route trying to think of a gamey way to tell her about herself (usually incorrectly)...and thats also following her lead, and it goes majorly downhill from there.

Poooah: "You're really quite 'different', I find it adorable" Girl: *starts thinking about in what way she is different, and feels good about them things*
---In this example, although it includes qualifying her, it gets the girl thinking about ways she agrees with what you said, and trying to find evidence of things she did to support that, may even try living up to those things. If she asks 'why', Poooah usually moves away from question, or doesn't answer it properly. He has no need to. (he takes the lead).


I find this works great when verbally escalating things sexually. You can make girls start thinking that they've been doing things in a sexual way by simply saying 'that was very sexy', it doesn't even have to make much sense, but it will change the way they're thinking. More on that in a seperate post.


For now, it I wanna leave you with this...

The subtle differences in the way you say things, can make a HUGE difference.


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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 8:01 am 
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I've worked out the biggest most commonly unnoticed factor that is fucking up newbies. It all comes back to neediness, but it's expressing itself slightly covertly, and it's not the whole of the problem.
Correct.

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It's often when guys say they're 'teasing' a girl, or they're trying to run some kind of statements.

They'll say things like:

- "I can tell you're..."
- "I can see you..."

followed by some random statement.
Misuse of the 3rd Eye.
Idiotic Blunder.
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Where this goes wrong is it is overly rapport seeking, and comes across that way, failing that you make yourself look stupid if it isn't true. It's a lose lose situation. It's like saying 'look at me, look at how well I know you'. It's seeking her approval, and makes you look even more stupid if your judgement is wrong. And it usually IS wrong because guys are making ridiculous comments because they think it will help escalate things.
You leave it open for manipulation.
A definite problem.

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It could be just a case of removing the 'I can tell/see...' part of it. And just straight up call her it.

for example...

AFC: "I can tell you like being different..." Girl thinks: " err, no not really... :roll:"
---I this example, a girl will likely ask 'why?' and the afc will chase down that route trying to think of a gamey way to tell her about herself (usually incorrectly)...and thats also following her lead, and it goes majorly downhill from there.
Or, saying it as it is, without caring what she thinks. Or, CONFIDENCE.
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Poooah: "You're really quite 'different', I find it adorable" Girl: *starts thinking about in what way she is different, and feels good about them things*
---In this example, although it includes qualifying her, it gets the girl thinking about ways she agrees with what you said, and trying to find evidence of things she did to support that, may even try living up to those things. If she asks 'why', Poooah usually moves away from question, or doesn't answer it properly. He has no need to. (he takes the lead).
Yep.

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I find this works great when verbally escalating things sexually. You can make girls start thinking that they've been doing things in a sexual way by simply saying 'that was very sexy', it doesn't even have to make much sense, but it will change the way they're thinking. More on that in a seperate post.
Reframe the frame.
Requires confidence and non-neediness.



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The subtle differences in the way you say things, can make a HUGE difference.
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 12:31 pm 
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Thank you for highlighting this. As it turns out, that way of phrasing a statement is something I tend to do a lot. Definitely gonna work on this.

Great post as always.


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