KristallNachte is correct.

Dont pay for her shit;especially on the first date!

Whats up with this beta male attitude of supplicating to women???

Why dont she pay for your stuff like ice cream & dinner?

You should not be showing her that you have money and that you can pay for this & tha!

Stop buying the girl!

It wont work. She'll just use you!

Candiandude,dont lead ppl astray by agreeing to spend in order to please.

Whether this girl's relationship type or not,she still needs to be seduced and not bought!

I guess you're gonna wait patiently for sex to happen also??

Give me a break.

This' the most beta-malish post I've ever come across on the forum and it sickens me.

Guys are advocting spending as means to please or get the target!

Advocating being more emotional than the girl!

Advocating putting yourself second and the girl first!

Advocating the gentleman crap!

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All I did was give him a different option rather than pre-date chocolates; if he REALLY wanted to pay for something. I do agree that a guy should not be throwing bills everywhere though

the only time paying is okay is well into a long term and you make more money than she does. if she makes more money, then she better be paying.

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If you invite someone to join you for the evening, it seems polite to pay. The other person should then reciprocate by paying for drinks or something, or paying the next time. That's just good manners, not supplicating to women.

wrong. if you invited your guy friend to go see kickass with you? are you going to pay for him? if a guy calls you up and invites you to see kickass are you gonna expect him to pay?

fuck no you're not

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Hey KristallNachte, check your private messages

I thought you were kidding when you posted this question to be honest... not flaming but buying chocolates seems a bit AFC, at first glance anyway.

However, despite my and a number of other people's first reaction to this being 'wrong', it may be wrong in general game, but that doesn't mean it won't work for some women. For example, as mentioned above, paying for dates is not for the first date, however some girls might not think "he's confident" but they might think "asshole" and not date you again.

What I'm trying to say is that pick up is very generic and doesn't work on every woman. If she is giving you IOIs about wanting to spend time with you etc, and you're sure she's not a gold digger, do it your way man. You seem to have got attraction without using much PUA techniques, so just be yourself and do what you feel best.

~Deebo

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I know you don't pay for guy friends, but a guy friend is not like a girl you're dating. I'm not saying you have to pay for everything, but at least buying the girl a drink would be polite. You would buy your buddy a drink if you invited him out for beers. If you're a miser then it would probably turn the girl right off; you have to strike the right balance between being over-generous and being a miser.

the easiest way to do that? don't pay for anything in money, pay in personality.

Girls have stated in surveys that the more a guy buys things for them, the less attracted they are. they may still sleep with him, but it won't be as fun, because it feels like an obligation since he bought stuff for her, making her also feel like a prostitute.


and i think its funny how you said "if you invite someone, you pay for it. it has nothing to do with subjugating women" and then say "you wouldn't do it a guy"

wait...wtf? you bipolar? sounds like you're trying to make up answers that sound good instead of make sense.

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It has nothing to do with her being a woman. If you invite a buddy (male or female) to hang out then they would probably pay for themselves, but if you've invited someone you're dating to join you for the evening then it seems polite to pay for something at least, even if just the first drink.

My point is that a date is different from hanging out with a buddy. Some guys would buy their buddy a drink, but wouldn't buy a drink for a date, which seems stupid to me. Tbh, even if I go out with a buddy I sometimes get ice creams for us both, or something like that. Should I treat my date less than I would treat my buddy? You don't have to go crazy with flashing the cash, but you could at least buy your date a drink or an ice cream.

your 'date' is a girl you've just met that you barely know. you're buddy has earned his place. see the difference?

I've talked to plenty of girls about this and they hate guys paying for them or buying them stuff, even if the act appreciative at the time.

lets see, how many of the first dates that you've had have you payed for something?

how many of them led to lays?

Statistics probably show that maybe you should try something different.

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I don't really care if my first dates lead to a lay. I want them to lead to the girl liking me and wanting a relationship.

For me, first dates are mostly about getting to know someone, to see if we want to progress past that initial attraction into a relationship. So I treat the girl like I would treat a friend, with a bit of added sexual tension.

I guess I would act slightly differently with a chick I'd only met once for a brief chat and to get her number. I'd probably buy her a drink but not splash loads of cash. But the girl I'm taking out next week has been talking to me as a friend for weeks, so it seems reasonable to treat her like a friend and buy her a drink or whatever.

Sambuca And the best way to get to a relationship is to get her attracted and sleep with her. Then you can decide where you want it to go.

Sambuca, you are posting here because you are acknowledging you are doing something wrong. You are not getting the results you want so instead you turn to help from greater sources. That is the first step to success, admitting you have a problem. The second step is to actually listen to what people say.

If you stick with what you are doing now, you will keep getting what you are getting.

Like KristallNachte said, statistics show that if you didn't need our help you wouldn't be here.[/b]

if you really feel you have to buy love...

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I am really quite new to this, but from what i have gethered from experience and reading you should be careful of giving her too much at once! Let her work for it a little bit. I guess it does depend on the individual in many cases but in my journeys i will doing my best to keep the control. I am a major fan of the 'cocky funny' approach though so maybe my opinion is a little dissorted!

Hope this helps man

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