This guy knows whats up.

Truly, these Gurus have methods that they have found to be useful when shared. Should you use them? Yes. But only as a means to an end. For everyone out there who believes a single method can get you places for the rest of your life, sorry, you're missing the point. What you need to do with these methods is develop your inner game which in turn leads to your defined inner game. Take the methods, see if they are congruent to your personality, and take bits and pieces that you like and mash them together into your coherent personality.

You can't take everything so literally; its the basic ideas that are the underlying themes here, really. To become a true PUA you're going to have to develop your own style, and your own sense of self. I've yet to do this. I realize it's a long road and I've barely tickled the threshold but you must realize what you want and what kind of person you are, then take the certain aspects from these teachings that are congruent to you.

There's a plethora of PUA information of the internet for a reason. Use it. More importantly, use it to not to define yourself, but to come to a greater understanding of who you are. If you don't run game congruent to who you, you're running in circles full of empty promises.

I better know what I'm talking about! lol.

I've been at this since 2006. I've extensively tested the advice from david deangelo, mystery method, real social dynamics, juggler, swinggcat, carlos xuma (poor mans david deangelo), and others.

Not only have I tested them all extensively but I've gotten lays from in big part as a result of some of them or a combination of them. I've even got massive hb's and strippers.

What I find is that every method has it's limitations and i've been able to identify what each methods limitations are. What I have been UNABLE to do is figure out exactly what I am doing when I am successful that is in common with all of this, figure out how to explain it to myself and duplicate it. This stuff desperately needs to be streamlined.

I wonder if the pua's that teach this stuff secretely know and hold out on us to pinch more money out of us, or if they are actually working on solving this themselves. When I see products like Gamblers "stealth attraction" I really wonder if they have any interest in solving this issue.

Inner game wise RSD has some of the closest advice to actually tackling things but their outer game method relies on hitting "state" which is difficult to control especially for people who don't go out approaching all the time for a living with tons of girls all over the place in the biggest cities in the world. Any outer game advice they try to give is inferior, confusing, or flawed in many ways (or an uninspired uncreative ripoff of someone elses material).

Unfortunately outer game wise if you take everything and match it up against eachother the mystery method wins. It's not to say it's a good method or certainly that it's the best one. It's just to say that currently as far as outer game it is the best one while at the same time being the worst one for healthy attractive confident mindsets -- which is what women TRUELY respond to.

That's why mystery method folks struggle because they can only replicate the behavior and that is not sustainable for long and can easily be messed up, usually before the actual lay (and that's without even getting into the limitations of the method of which there are many). It also makes a ton of unhealthy and bad assumptions which get in the way as well and also get students in their head and acting like robots.

What REALLY needs to happen is that SOMEONE has got to take over and knock down RSD by coming up with a method that blends the best of RSD with outer game to match it. That will NEVER come from RSD because it is not in their best interest and they are exclusively a marketing company. They are very much in this for the money.

Until the day that someone can come up with a revolutionary model that bases it's foundation on inner game principles that attract women while giving you an outer game model to match that then your best bet outer game wise is to learn the mystery method and then move one of it's cousin methods (like Afc adam) to help to correct all the bullshit mystery fills your head up with. Even then there are some limitations but it's better than just worshipping mystery or getting sucked into the whole natural game black hole that RSD is plugging.

I agree; a hybridized method is definitely the key. At the same time, while MM works for some, it doesn't for others.

A personalized method is key, but I agree that while MM has good, while indirect, outer game core, it's lacking the inner game mindset which, like you said, is REALLY what women respond to.

It comes down to if you don't personalize the game to your personality or meet it halfway at least, then women WILL see through the bullshit. Congruency is key.

Listening to all the comments I've decided that i will invest some time into the natural game to see what's on the other side of the fence.

However, My closing argument for why MM is still one of the best stand alone structures for learning pick up is this. Mystery, has devoted more time to his system than any other know PUA. He has crafted large amounts of his system from the dust and all other systems are evolutions of his original ideas.
Mystery is know as one of the best (if not the best) pick up artists in the world. That title gives him credibility, and thus gives his system credibility. There is also a reason THE GAME, and mystery's (and styles) openers and approach patterns are recognized globally and that the media attention related to pick up is strongly focused on mystery and his styles.

Truthfully, i think this is just a classic case of people going against the trend, just because it is so popular. The only undeniable truth about natural game is that it will never be in the public eye as much as the MM is, and that its almost impossible for any woman or guy to call you out on using "game".

And in the same way it differs from person to person.

Maybe MM works for you amazingly, and you are swimming in HB10's.

Maybe it works a little for me, just enough to tease me into the community and spark my interest, but then I find investing more in myself yields results.

In the end it comes down to a good outer game can have the result of a good inner game, and vice versa. As long as one is not held down excessively by one or the other, then it holds true that....

Better Outer Game -> Better Inner Game -> Better Outer Game -> Better Inner Game...

Truly trial is both the only way to expose error, and also the only way to expose success that fits a person.

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Dude your selling yourself short if you don't check out magic bullets. It is a much more complete and calibrated take on the mystery method from Savoy and the guys at lovesystems. Check that out at least.

Mystery's method is severly limited in major major ways. Even Style is leagues beyond him with his take on it. Get out of the mystery tunnel and free yourself from it's constraints and dark sick twisted mechanical views.

Magic bullets? Sounds interesting ill check it out.

What is the purpose of arguing over this anyway? Mystery whether like it or not is a BIG name in PUA community. He is ONE of the first ones who started PUA as what we know! Of course, he did not INVENT his stuff, but again, just like a motivational speaker who tells you everything you already know, and you think he has changed your life or when you ask for an advice from your mate and what he tells you, is exactly what it is in you head! Mystery is that man! Yes, The Game made him into a God, but he's method has flaws too.

Lets refer back to The Game. If he had strong inner game, he would not be as fucked up as killing himself at least 2 times! Mystery Method is what I started with. I used to Do Peacocking before I hear about the "peacocking" and I never knew "why" it worked; Until I heard Mystery. Many of the stuff he said, most of us already knew, and when he mentioned it, it clicked for us.

I liked Mystery Method because I GOT mystery method well. But do I use it all the time? No! Just because I wanna approach a HB10, it doesn't mean I have to neg her! Negging is for people with poor self-steam who don't want to admit to it or for newfags who just entered the community. So they HAVE to break their target self-steam so maybe she becomes more self-conscious than they themselves.

Learn your own methods as people above me mentioned! Something that works for you. get a hint from all methods and create your own one! That's how you can claim to be a MPUA! by just following one person, you are just a sheep!

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mystery sucks, i dont know about you guys but i refuse to go into every encounter with a female like some robot following a 10 step program every time

DHv here
now neg
now kino
now compliment
now freeze-out
ect...

wheres the fun in that?

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Ezo

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Uh, that isn't even in his fucking METHOD. That is why you come off like such an ignorant ass. The routines, and the methods are a way of teaching you to calibrate yourself because obviously you weren't taught through your interactions as a child and young adult on how to behave and properly talk in public.

The concepts he talks about ARE the end all and be all to pick-up. Why? It's modeled after the courting process that animals use to mate in the wild. Guess what all you bible thumping retards, we are ANIMALS. Now shhhhhh! If you want to make it into a robotic routine, that is YOU, but I guarantee he doesn't look like a robot when he hits on women because he has internalized the ideas he teaches. Which means high value men in the world do these things naturally because they have developed themselves into calibrated individuals. Unlike yourself, who probably hasn't even hit on a woman in months.

No it's not.

It's a half accurate observation of the way ONE animal courts in ONE PARTICULAR WAY.

It is as far from the be all and end all as cookie's are to dried shit.

of course its not, & if you want to hang from his nut hairs thats your bizness, but in my eyes and the eyes of many others, he's a clown, and anyone who rides his d*** like you is obviously the one who has trouble with girls,(not me) & no HUMANS ARE NOT ANIMALS, in fact were far from it(educate yourself). and i learned how to interact with women the right way(by interacting w/ them) not through some bitch ass method for pussies who piss themselves at the sight of an attractive women(you) good day sir...

and i hit on you mom yesterday we have a day2 later tonite

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What is your formal expertise in animal behavior and mating processes? OH yeah, that's right...you're just talking out of your ass. Sorry buddy, but pretty much every mammal on the planet (That's right dip shit, you shouldn't of skipped biology, human beings are mammals) go through a mating courtship. Why don't you look into it sometime, but that would mean you actually had the ability to retain information not coming from a television.
You can't even spell "business" and you are trying to dictate to me the evolutionary results of the past 100,000 years? Yeah, human beings aren't animals, RIGHT! Oh, and Mystery definitely doesn't get pussy, you are RIGHT again. I mean shit, you and my mom? Damn, RIGHT again, you are just SO RIGHT! Geez, might as well start running your own workshops because you are just SO RIGHT, like ALL THE TIME! Lol, Mystery pisses himself at the sight of beautiful women, RIGHT! Good God, I didn't think anyone could get more pathetic, but you definitely top the cake.

Before this breaks out into a full out fight.
MM isn't the ONLY method, it's the first published one.
There SHOULD only be your method as stated earlier.
MM was made to teach those who know nothing to learn how to talk to girls, pick them up, and not be the 40 year old virgin.
Peoples personalities are what create their individual methods, I follow a method of a hybrid between MM and Cocky-Funny because that's just the type of person I am.
Some people follow the Rules of the Game style method because they're personality is more closely linked with Styles and his method. We were all rAFC's at one point, and I admittedly am still one. To go on here bitching about fanboys and eachother being on Mystery's nuts proves you're still in the same boat as I am.
Lighten up, we're here to unite, not fight.

Klayton Mask

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