You're not serious are you? Feel sorry for a lesser life form? Where do you come up with this shit? I think some of you proclaimed "PICK UP ARTISTS" need to start making the golden rule your credence. As opposed to trying to cater to women who have absolutely no value other than their pussy.

Glad you found your answer.

Jackb1900 who said the value of hot women is just their pussy? (This is why I avoided writing about sex and Ezo did too...) To put it bluntly, it's a marker of social status (and value) whether it comes across as shallow or not and it has nothing to do with just fucking her. *edit: I'd like to add that this is true outside of PUA beliefs - yea, you can create your own reality if you want with various PUA mentalities but the rest of the world aren't PUA and place value on something that's mundane. From a psych/bio standpoint you're attracted to hotter girls (though it varies what's hot and what isn't in different cultures) because they're ideal partners for the survival of your offspring.*

You don't have to cater toward hot girls too, it's just a different set of skills honestly (think of it as women from another country, that's not placing them on a pedestal or kissing ass).

I'm sure at SOME point in your life you thought about getting your dream girl (she was hot I'm sure) and it wasn't about only her pussy. She had other things qualities worth valuing; this is the norm...

It is written with humor but I am definately serious. If you are an asshole to one girl, the rest will dislike you too.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

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My dream girl would never look down on someone who was "ugly" and think of them as a lesser life form. If you can't see what value THAT projects, then I feel sorry for you.
Who the fuck said otherwise? I am sure you would be trying to pick-up the girls who actually think that way, because that is how YOU think. I'm not in the game so I can get shallow and vain women. They are a dime a dozen, and like I said, their only value is their pussy.

I dated an ugly girl for 4 months. Every time we were in public, I would almost instinctively position myself in such a way as to communicate to the public that I wasn't with her. My answer is yes, it does lower your value.

No, YOU lowered your own value. YOU shot yourself in the foot, YOU were the asshole in that situation and every girl who saw you two out and about knew it.

Oh my gosh.

Reading this topic is so frustrating.

So many people with different opinions its almost 50/50.

I came here looking to sort of figure out whether its more on the side of yes or more on the side of no for lowering your value.

It seems I haven't gained a definitive answer.

Personally, I am very choosy when it comes to women. From personal experience, I have notice that when you are hanging out with a friend you don't truly enjoy being around, and you have to be the least bit superficial or you don't think and co-ordinate on the same wavelength.. you won't have a good time when you go out.

As crazy as this may sound, I know there are girls who will actually seem like they want to do you a favour, like help you find a girlfriend.. and when it comes down to it, they will do absolutely nothing to help you.
I have challenged them on it. Their responses.. "That girl has a boyfriend" "go for that girl (when she's clearly a tramp)" When asked to approach a good looking girl.. taps her on the shoulder and points, with no friendly warmth, or introduction.. HOW IS POINTING AT ME GOING TO HELP ME GET WITH HER?! That's just going to make me look like I have no confidence..

OK.. so I say.. go up to that girl, and tell her.. "Hey.. I saw you checking out that guy over there, don't even think about it, he's mine." - She tells me to go with her to say it.. then doesn't end up doing it when I explain why she needs to do it on her own.

It seems to me that there are certain girls (the ones who are disadvantaged when it comes to what the majority of society considers beautiful -to put it nicely) that have developed, sophisticated methods to ensue they are looked after and taken care of. They value their own time, not your feelings or how many girls you can score with. They want the outing to be about them, they want the friend their with to make them feel special. If they see that you're ignoring them, they will deliberately come and grasp your arm, or grab you're head to whisper something in your ear. Then when you realise they are a sloppy drunk, they are repeating themselves, and you aren't actually enjoying their company, nor benefiting from them as a wing-girl.. it's like.. YOU SEEM TO HAVE SO MANY OPPORTUNITY's to sleep with men, and guys after you, why can't you help me out, its not only about you, why are you being so selfish! I certainly don't want to die alone, but I'm not going to settle for just anyone. She has to be beautiful both on the inside and the outside, and someone who uses crafty little tricks to ensure I get no-where with girls when she's around.. loses my respect.

When I used to hang around really hot girls, they would go off and do their own thing in the clubs. They wouldn't even spend their time with me, but when the guy does it, suddenly all you guys on here condemn them for it.

Grow up and accept that we live in a very superficial world, that the hot girls will actually get turned off you when they see you with an ugly girl most likely for the fact that they have worked so fucking hard to get into the shape they are in today, and think you're a moron for choosing to be around them instead of them.
Just sayin' girls who are 8-10, will think less of you for being with anything less than a 7/10.

That's my two cents.

If she makes you cum, go do it.
You will get hotter women with time

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Let's assume you like banging ugly women at least a little (because if you don't it's the same as asking: Are soft kicks in the ass better than no kicking in the ass at all?).
Now, if some you don't have the opportunity to put your goods in some young beautiful woman, why not to attempt with some low self-esteem fatty that's been looking to you from the dark corner all night? A little is better than nothing? I think yes, but all that assuming that you like them.
Personally I prefer masturbation, I'm pretty sure my hand doesn't have any STDs.

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I would much rather be seen by myself than an ugly girl. Not there is anything wrong with ugly girls, but it won't help you with any DHV.

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STOP reading pua material. Go out, get LAID

I've had a few dogs in my time, since I stopped drinking the quality went up drastically.

I would take ugly girls over no girls, because I really couldn't deal with not having sex for more than like three months.

being with an ugly girl is bad for several reasons:

-there must be something wrong with you if all you can attract is ugly girls

-attractive girls will just look on in disgust or just pity you

-it means youll have no value to attractive girls

- and finally it means your a settler ie you have no taste and will settle for the first girl who'll touch your wang..

your better off being single then taking pity or lowering your standards to an ugly girl.

heres several things ive noticed about ugly girls some are more obvious:

- they will hang around in clubs with attractive girls hoping to get lucky
-as a personal observation, they will tend to approach more then attractive girls as ug girls arent approached, its also more difficult for a guy to brush off a girl then a girl to brush off a guy

-they try to cling onto attractive guys and girls as an ego boost as most ugly girls know that they are

-they put out a lot quicker

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Of course "ugly" girls are better than no girls, it raises your value because you're with someone

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