then it's a good job that he doesn't need any of the above to 'pick up' a girl in a club.

to the OP - while your friends are around the club entertaining the girls, they'll be wasting their time. sure it will feel good while they get validation and they'll think they had a good night because they had a 2hour conversation with a woman, but you can be different, go out to SEDUCE and not entertain.

keep eye contact, move in close, listen, speak slowly. use these four things and you have sexual tension, don't try and be funny or spout out an 'interesting' story, no matter what you think, that is killing the sexual tension.

I think you also have consider that if your friends know that you want to talk to girls but are cock blocking you at every turn, they may have little regard for you as a person, and they maybe aren't the best people to go out with. Also, it's no good to hang out with guys who are so much older and more experienced that they make you look like their kid brother. Hanging out with alpha males is good, because it shows high status, but if it gets to a point where it lowers your status by contrast, it may be time to find some new wingmen.


Of course, they may not know what you're going after, so they might not realize that they're getting in your way. If that's the case, just make sure they know that you want to learn to talk to girls.

i also thought that there is a possibility that you(storm) may just believe they are better than you, therefor they are(to you at least.)

i agree with kas, dont lie to yourself(if your an ugly guy, dont act like your model material), but dont sell yourself short either...

everyone has good qualities about them find yours and use them to your strengths

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que sara sare, LET THAT SHIT RIDE

People can be better or worse than you. You place them in their positions.

No you dont. They are, in reality either better or worse than you on a given subject like pickup...

The only way you can change that is to either improve or ... well thats the only way.

The only thing that you can decide is whether you give them a higher value than yourself or maybe a lower one. Even better, how you treat the ones that are over/under your level. My recommendation is to treat people like equals.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT!!

devo see's the world the way i do, when it comes to "competing" w/ guys to get women you decide who is better or worse than you. and like ezo said, "treat people like equals," whick is what i meant when i said:

"no man is superior to you" (unless you make them)

plz dont use a sports reference to debate this because sport is exactly that, a physical competition to see who's better. it doesnt work with pick up because PU isn't a competition.

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que sara sare, LET THAT SHIT RIDE

I think in summary is:

Sauvaye-believe in yourself

Kasabi & ezo– be realistic + believe in yourself


I think I understand Sauvaye's philosophies. be realistic and it becomes harder to believe in yourself thus don't be realistic.

it is like if a person saying "I am going to be the best one day at badminton" then suddenly plays a game with the world best (lin dan) and gets pwned and ends up believing less in yourself because of that.

Better to not know the truth if not knowing the truth gives you that extra strength needed to progress.

which is a feasible approach i guess.

But my advice to the original poster is "don't compare yourself" , realize that you are indeed starting out at the bottom of the ladder (Ezo and Kasabi's approach), but don't let that bring you down (Sauvaye's point of view).

i think...

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"There is always a solution to even the hardest problem in life."

"If something is important enough to you, you won't give up"

First, you look younger than all of them, but that can be an advantage because you would look cuter/nicer. A lot of girls at bars and clubs are used to being approached by guys that look like jerks with all the fancy stuff and all. But you can pull off good game that can leave the other, older guys jealous/becoming more friendly towards you.

You have to be even MORE unique, MORE creative, and MORE interesting than those guys.

If you see a girl surrounded by a bunch of guys, don't go in there like every other drooling pig. Don't even try the PUA method of "overcoming the obstacles" by befriending all those guys surrounding that girl. There are so many guys around her that's it's just too obvious and too hard to be unique among them since she's being bombarded with all sorts of mind games. I would just go near that group to make sure I'm in her view, and just stay there drinking or doing something else without joining that group. It makes her see that you're that one guy that doesn't give a shit (because that's all that pretty much takes in a case like this with a bunch of guys).

Being a PUA is about the blabber as opposed to action (excluding gestures and kino). By real action, I mean to learn actual tricks, learn how to dance, and even those have to be unique and damn good as well. Whenever you get the chance, these will outweigh any blabber that's going on.