Hi I'm Jon and I have recently joined
Can't remember if I had seen this before, but earlier I had a thought of an opener basically it was going to the group and say "Hey, can I get your opinion on something?" (as most openers do) "My mate over there is thinking about dumping his girlfriend by text, I think its really harsh but he said it's fine because he never really liked her. What's your views on it?"

I'm not too sure since it's my first, but I suppose it's a start

It's basically a basic canned opener, that you may have re-written, but just a little bit.

It's alright, but (canned)openers suck anyway bro.

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I use one very similair to this but swap it round every now and then by saying they were together for 2 years then changing it next set to 2 weeks, it gets the job done

canned openers are good when your just starting so just go out and try it and see how it goes

You are talking down about your friend to strangers. Why the hell would you disqualify your friend? Why the hell are you talking about a guy dating a girl when he doesn't even like her?

Cut back the bullshit, keep it general. "Hey guys, can I get a quick opinion from yall? My friend and I are having an argument about dumping a girlfriend by text message, acceptable or no?" BOOM! That is it, no further details necessary, stop over thinking, stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Use a canned opener and go say it a thousand fucking times, the SAME ONE over and over and over. Until you get familiar with what makes an opener work, and the only reason they work is because it is a simple way to introduce yourself into a conversation.

The opener is extremly important cause in a matter of seconds she's gonna get that FIRST impression of you witch is important as hell.

While choosing the subject - make sure its something that girls wount have a fixed view on. Dumping someone by text isnt up for debate, No girl I know would dig that.

Put on a big fucking smile and go:
"Hey guys! Im getting new shoes. You look kind'a trendy. Where should I go?"
Then they will help you and you talk.
You can tease them about the place they recommend.
Them: "Oh, you should go XXXX"
You: "Haha. My grandpa' buys his shoes there. Maybe you guys should hook up!"
Them: "Okey... Haha"
You: "Seriously, your not his type... Haha"
Or some random shit. Just a tip.

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the opener doesn't give her the first impression of you. your body language, eye contact and how confident you speak will.

focus on those and not which opener to use.

Well, I hope Jon really can develop now that you told him what he needs to focus on.

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he's probably reading a shit load of material right now, i'm sure he can find out about those things himself .

Point taken!

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Actually u both r right... body language confident the whole nine is important on the first impression tip... but the opener is kind of cruical in the beginning of the game and should be something that doesn't have a fixed opinion should be something u can talk up a bit.... but after that openers don't even matter cause once when u have confident good body language great eye contact, it doesn't matter if u say hi my name is matt I have aids with a smile a girl will eat it up. SO EARLY on its important to have a great opener, because it will help you get in there get past AA and gain your confidence etc....

if you check out the lovesystems web page they have the first part of the routines manual, openers. The original version (and some variations) of this opener is available there.

idk about you guys

i might have a lot to learn since i'm new to this but, i rather have an opener wich will make me, first, get them to stop and listen to what i have to say, then i'll say what i have to say in a very enjoyful way, it'll make them enjoy listening to me and want more, i'll convey a little bit about who i am and disqualify myself in front of them so they feel i'm not a pursuiter, this opener will make them talk and after my introduction, it'll make them want to start debating the subject, i'll ofc not focus my ec on the target and when they start giving their opinions i can start to get them to qualify themselves by doubting her opinions in a playful way, otherwise they'll feel the "wait, why do i need to prove myself to this guy?" instead as "this guy seems fun" you get what i mean?, and, ultimately (if i'm not forgetting something), i like openers that can give me something to talk about later on, for example, i go to a 3 set of girls, tell them how i need some opinions, and how i've talked with my male friends, my female friends (so they know you've got women in your life, pre selection, and it sends the message that you're not creepy) and start talking about knowing this girl who is just beautiful, there's something about her eyes that's just, i can't even explain it, even if beauty's common and we're constantly surrounded by it, her eyes look like they say so much, you know that feeling? *just keep going even if they answer, if you say this right, you will look like a deep guy, if you do this the wrong way, you'll look like a wus, so be careful, you need to have really positive body language and tone and confidence on this one* Alright so, we got to know each other, and she's got a great personality and you know, we deffinetely have something going on so i wanted to arrange a date with her.. But, here's the thing *now, you're not gonna ask them where they think u should take the girl to, you're gonna show you've thought it all and distract them with thinking bout what would be the option for you, while thinking about you, that you're this and that, cause saying what you've said the right way will get any girl to think you're sweet, perfect to break the ice and allow you to do w.e* i've thought about taking her to the movies and then have dinner, but that seems way too serious, i wanted something more casual you know, so i thought ask her if she wants to drink a coffee together sometime, you know my idea is have the dates be moore important as our relationship grows, so what do you girls think?

Communicate with them while you say this, with your face and the way you're talking, keep changing tones and say most of the stuff in a playful way with serious intervals, keep ec on, otherwise this will blow you.


So, just making up any openers that will have this format sound very good to me, but know that i'm focusing this to Highscool, not clubs or whatever, but this can work in the streets or wherever you see a group of girls too.


Just find what an opener should be, then make yours up, remember, some guys think an opener's just that, whatever, just open quickly and get ur routine going, i like to make my opener useful, so i won't use it and just throw it away, you've got the picture.

Hope it helps, peace.

Hey man!

If you are in High school and your planning to game in school..
I suggest you use openers based upon situations.

Make it easy for your self. Talk about the fucking weather if you have to.
Just talking to people is the biggest step. From there on its not very hard to
calibrate what to say, and how to say it.

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