I know everyone is going to flame me for this, and it is going to sound COMPLETELY AFC. But, that being said, here goes. So the point of this game of pua is to understand what you want in a relationship when you find the "one". Im pretty sure it says that in The Game. Not positive, dont quote me. But you are trying to run game on a girl you truly love, running game isnt what you need to be doing bro. You cant run game your whole life on the same girl and be satisfied. I mean shit, I guess you could, but your life would be just that, a game. I'm not trying to criticize you, you know that, you are WAYYYYY more experienced than I, but just think about it. If you really want a relationship with this girl, try and transition from game to just having fun and being yourself around her. I'm not afraid to admit im capable of love, everyone is in my opinion, but if she loves Steel and not *insert real name here* whats going to happen five years down the road? Just really break down the situation and ask yourself if you are ready for a relationship, or if you just miss having her. [/u]

1. My emotions are unstable...usually Im the guy whos in control emotion wise. I dont want any other HB...I want her back. I just feel rejected obviously.

2. My game was and is trained....a lot of my confidence is BS outer shell...I need to make it a reality since a HB10 can eventually sniff out fear like a dog.

3. I totally agree...the whole time I couldnt believe she was so passive and nice about everything....turns out it was being bottled up.

4. Dependable in most situations, hardworking and disciplined, does not over indulge, helps others, good listener, charming, very neat, her smile could light up the world...blah blah.

She WAS more then a number...I went against all the rules since she seemed so right for me...and I thought I had her by the pussy...really she had me by the balls the whole time.

She is emotionally immature and has never really been single...she felt pushed into this..then even thought things became great...she then got smothered and felt like she had no life except her life with me. Throw in that she works 10 hour days 4 days a week and goes to school 9 hours the other 2 days with one day off....then factor in her childhood...and my communication dominance...age gap...pressure from everyone to get married and then throw in that she was spoiled, treated like a queen when she didnt give as much as me....was it my fuck up since I turned off the game when I should have just turned it down? Remember shes super super hot...is a way of life for her to get swarmed with compliments daily. When she goes out with me socially guys back off based probably on my size, body laguage...she is has never experienced this...they walked right over her ex's....Im not giving up guys...I need strategy.

Maybe it's just me but when I read the original post the things that stuck out to me was you meaning a couple of times how wealthy you are, how she only dated broke guys, and how hot she was. It took someone asking what her personality was like before you mentioned anything about her other than how hot she was. That doesn't sound like love to me. Sounds like you were looking to buy a trophy wife to me.

First of all I want to congradulate you!

You're taking a responsibility for what happened that is a huge step in the right direction and this means you can start fixing things right now! Great to see, most people in your position would be blaming her and looking not for ways to change themselves but rather just how to change the way they interact with girls.

It seems the problem you have is that you are not actually what women want, rather what you portray is.

So the key is not how to make a better illusion which will undoubtadly break down, but how do we get you to the stage where there is no illusion?

Ultimatly this is a good case where inner game comes into, I suggest you take alook round on the forums and self confidence and inner beliefs sections. Start from scatch and look at building yourself into what you portray yourself as.

As for getting her back, I don't know if that's going to happen, I don't know if in your current state she'd want you back. Of course you could throw up another mirage and charm her voer, but that will probably collapse after a while and you'll be back here again. And that's not what we want.

I know it's going to be hard for you to hear this. But for your sake and hers, I think it would be good for you to just end the chase, right now you have some bigger priorities in your life than starting up a relationship which already has a bad history and forecast.

May I ask into the deails of who you are?

How old are you?

What do you do for a living?

How do you describe yourself as a person?

Note: I'm not going into depth with what went wrong, fact is it went wrong, and we can't change the past, and all the changes worth making right now, are not going to involve some new PU trick or tactic, it may take some more time than that.

Hopefully as you change and work yourself through you'll realise the mistakes you made anyway. And by that time you will have developed to the point where you don't even need to worry about making those mistakes again.

1. OK we've established that you have problems with your inner game, and you have negative traits that are stemming from your insecurity, egoism etc

But this is where we plan now.

What do you intend to do about your problems? You gonna sit here and whine about them while cycling through life, or tackle them?

What's your next step?

2. You have a classic problem alot of RAFC's hit, you've not really learnt how to invest emotionally, while normal people do it gradually in time, and this process is learnt with having experience in investing. You have held back for so long, that when you found someone serious, you hadn't the emotional tools to adjust your feelings and invest in the relationship normally.

That will be one thing you will have to over come and learn. How to connect on a genuine level and feel appreciation, friendship and even love in a responsible and gradual way.

3. Good luck with your meeting, just express yourself and get it all out in the open, much better for your sake and the relationships sake.

She needs to know where your at and if it isn't right then she needs to tell you it's not right and save you all the time and pain of going through this again.

If you think she already knows, then no need to tell her. It does seem like there is something to rebuild the relationship, either that or she is a kiniving bitch that likes to lead people on. I know, i know, a kiss is a kiss, but not when serious feelings are involved. And not trying to call your girl a bitch, just saying. Lol. Seriously good luck on this man, I really do think you have a shot. If you didnt she would have broken connection in my opinion. She still replies to your texts and talks to you, you've got a lot to work with. Good luck and God speed, no doubt it's possible.

I couldn't agree more with swimking in principle but this is more about her in my opinion than you.

At the moment i'm in a relationship with a girl who sounds so similar to yur girl its kind of a joke; bottles shit up, lots of LTRs, very very insicure despite being the hottest girl ive ever been with.

Whatever, but i started doing the same things you did; i felt myself becoming very needy which i hated and did whatever i thought she wanted.

After a lot of thought i came to the conclusion that i was being gamed in a way, not intentionally but it was the idea of the cat and the ball of string or push pull. Being in a relationship and liking her while she is distant but you know she likes you, it fucks with your head! The constanst affection then distance, I started going into dpressions and rages when she wouldn't return my calls regardless of what she was actually doing, but i couldn't help myself.

She was never around for these, luckily for me, but once you've noticed what you're doing you can change it. I just started exerting self control; not calling her every time im free, sometimes saying work IS more important although i personally believe that to be bullshit. Sometimes when all i wanted to do was call her i would just distract myself, xbox live call of duty was perfect for me.

Essentially what i'm saying is that it can and will work if you try, it might be easier to pull out now but if you really like her the way you say you do then it's worth a shot.

I can't really say how you could get back together but if it has been fifty days you can't blame her for not contacting you. after 12 she would feel wierd. She will be wondering if you'll make the effort as well, you said she was damaged so you will need to be patient and underdstanding but i agree with the others in that you need to game her. You guys are in a wierd place and you need to pull yourselves out of it back into a normal zone.

Hopefully this helps.

p.s. to whichever douchebag said you should leave her she's 'damaged goods' ,you are literally treating her like a faulty sex puppet. she' a person you prick ad clever men than you have said it is our imperfections that make us perfect so just shut the fuck up and grow the fuck up

Thank you for this post I appreciate your insight...she always called me back no matter what etc but our relationship became boring/textbook it seems. I sopped gaming and it fell a part.

ANYWAY: I text her today saying whats up (like I said I would). She immediately asks when we are hanging out. I tell her maybe this week. Looks like she just needed to be ignored a bit...could it be that simple?

My Background: Im a 28 year old, good looking, tall, in excellent shape, wealthy caucasian male from Los Angeles who has F-closed numerous HB9/10's over the last few years. About 1 year ago I meet a HB10 that I fall in love with (first time in my life I actually can admit love)...she is the hottest woman Ive ever been with...she is smoking guys. Shockingly beautiful. The One. I retired from being a PUA.

She has just turned 20 when I meet her (at gym) and is on a break/breaking up with her ex who is her age...he is average looking, broke, very very very insecure and emotionally abusive. They went to HS together...she is so out of his league that its scary.

I dazzle her with game/Kino/status/confidence etc....but I want more then a F-close. I take my time and start to date her...kill off my sarging...win over her family, friends. Shes saying she doesnt want to go right into another relationship...I change her mind and she finds herself dating me exclusively within a few weeks. She had been with her ex for 2.5 years and had 2 other LTR before that in HS...all losers.

She is a waitress/aspiring model/Student...no money...broken family...depressed sick mother...no father. Extremely passive aggressive/hardworking/emotionally immature. A quiet girl who shows very little emotion and trusts no one...she lies here and there in order to not disappoint....she is not a typical LA party girl whore based on conclusive research...but is a serious game player I later find out and self admittedly emotionally unstable.

I begin to loose ground...Im addicted just by the smell of her hair...I have no disgust...I see no flaws. I want her forever. Basically Im fucked and all my game Ive worked starts to die off.

I end up paying for everything since we are so in love...I let my guard all the way down. We both use the L word 5 times a day....text all day...hang out way too much. I spoil her...diamonds...purses...trips....compliments. Yet she asks for nothing.

I have rationalized that this is THE ONE. However, I at least have every single one of her friends wanting to fuck me or clone me as well as her enemies wanting to get me to cheat on her based on my image, style, looks, job etc. Everyone says we are perfect for each other...looks wise/couple wise...whatever. We hear it 10 times a day. Everyone says you guys should have kids/get married. WAY too much too soon I see now...shes 21 guys.

Anyway we are basically living like we're married until she fucks up 9 months in and lies about some girls night thing that is the stupidest lie Ive ever heard over nothing because my phone dies and she thought I was mad...this is proven to be a white minuscule lie. But It freaks me out and everything goes to shit. I become needy...she feels obligated to invite me to everything constantly/sleep over every night etc to prove herself.

The sex goes downhill...less eye contact...loss of attraction...I resent her...she resents me. She blows up while on her period one day and says she never loved me and feels like she was dishonest all this time...too much too soon...never been single or on her own...shes confused...doesnt know what she wants...usual 21 year old Bullshit. I smile and say I understand while shes hysterical. This is our SECOND fight in a year and our 1st break up...remember she is super passive aggressive.

3 hours later she texts...shes not OK...She wants a break not a break up...she still "likes" me....wants time to appreciate how great I am. In other words she doesnt want to throw away a really good looking rich guy who bank rolls her and who all her friends want to fuck.

Anyway I play it cool...totally gutted but no one knows. She tells mutual friends we are just both busy with work and are going to work things out during the Summer. We meet a few times...she answers all texts I do the same but they are far and few between due to my coldness...I cant do a freeze out completely since shes all over the place...or let me say Im afraid to do one due to the mixed signals Im getting. Its been 50 days (first few weeks almost no contact)...we've gone on a few dates/talk every week/sporadic texts....I play it cool and keep the break going...Im not sure where we stand. Im losing it....Ive number closed 30 girls since then to prove I still have it but have not called one....Im waiting for her to crawl back...it looks like shes either waiting for me to do the same or is over it...shes possibly getting number closed as I type this but barely goes out due to work and school...maybe getting fucked by another guy but probably only 10% chance based on good info.

I need to either 1) re-game her after a real freeze out..2)be honest and tell her I love her/actually ask for her back...or 3)move on. Like I said Im fucked since I really do love this girl despite all her issues and our idiotic and immature situation that I let develop.

Ideas?