So... you've built comfort, and you've built attraction, how do you go on from there? yes i know some of the techniques for this, it's just they all seem hard. or maybe that's my anxiety talking. what do you guys think?

I'm a huge fan of Mystery's "Do you want to kiss me?" routine. You can't lose. As soon as you've gotten at least 3 IOIs and enough comfort has been built and you've got some kino going you go into it (don't wait too long, otherwise you lose interested and you're lost). There's typically only 3 answers.

You: "Do you want to kiss me?"
HB: "Yes..." *hot make-outs*

You: "Do you want to kiss me?"
HB: "Maybe..."
You: "Lets find out" *hot make-outs*

You: "Do you want to kiss me?"
HB: "No"
You: "I didn't say you could!" (remember to be CF and then do a bit of a false take-away by turning your back towards her a bit and breaking any kino that's going on).

If they throw you a curveball and say something like "I usually don't kiss guys until I know them a little better," you have a few options. You can either say, "That's not what I asked" or you can say something like "Good thing I'm not a usual guy".

I'm fairly new in the game, and I was thinking about this k-close.... and its effective and everything, but I was thinking it could be constructed to use more tools than it currently utilizes.... it's almost the same, only it takes advantage of the power of suggestion whereas the original Mystery k-close does not. here's my thinking.........

The Mystery k-close is in the form of a question.... so by asking a question, it is almost implicitly asking her permission. Like I said, this close is perfectly effective, but I was thinking it might be better to add a little "power of suggestion" to make it even more effective....

So instead of asking, "Do you want to kiss me?" ... which phrases it as a question, I thought about making the statement, "You look like you want to kiss me...." IMHO, there are several benefits to this small, but significant difference..........


1.) there is less of a chance of it being misconstrued as you asking for permission. Rather... you are stating a fact: its obvious that she wants to kiss you.

2.) you utilize the classic sales tool of "power of suggestion" ...... when you phrase it in an affirmative way, the outcome is influenced and therefore more likely to also be in the affirmative.

3.) this is the simplest form of DHV.... chumps ask permissions... PUAs state matters of fact. if there was ever a perfect time to display value, this is it..... and this variation allows you to do it subtly without too much improv or need for thinking.

4.) It also doesn't put any pressure on her to give a solid "yes" ...... instead, whereas she would be required to answer a direct question, a simple act of body language in the form of a smile would act as a yes, and by following the "other" 3-second rule, you can get the go-ahead on the k-close without the added pressure of requiring a direct answer.


....... So what do you guys think? I'm going to test it out, but at least in theory, it seems to provide a slight advantage to the typical k-close routine. That and, Mystery and Style's latest publicity might make using the classic k-close routine verbatim a dangerous move. So changing it, even if slightly, could make it sound more genuine.

That's a good one, i'll remember the tips. I also have a new one i heard on the Pickup Artist show, "i'm trying so hard not to kiss you right now," if she asks why you don't, that means she's saying yes. Infact she can say anything and it will be good, unless she says no. It's a little forward, but instead of suggesting it a little, this one says, "i have a penis, and i'm not afraid to use it." lol. Indeed, the power of suggestion can be powerful, either way, I think any method is good, it's how you deliver.

i personally would feel really awkward asking if they want to kiss me, or saying i want to kiss them. i just increase kino more and more and get closer and closer to her in increments until im pretty much holding her. you will know by how she reacts to the kino if she wants to kiss or not.

Personally dude I wouldn't use that one, or at least not for a few weeks/months after everyone forgets about the show. Only way you should use it in my opinion is if you are 100% she has not seen the show (ex: she doesn't have cable or even a tv). I agree that this line is money, as I've used it before but now you run the risk of her catching you seducing her. I am not saying that she will get up and leave (if you've done everything right that is), but she will think you are a pua and may start analyzing/dismissing everything else you say/do from then on. But thats just my opinion.

If you are having anxiety on kiss closing than start working on that. By that I mean work on your inner game on that particular area, and yeah I know it's not easy. Knowing the words is only part of the equation, getting the balls to use them CONGRUENTLY and POWERFULLY is the main thing. I remember in one of ross jeffries books or tapes, he said to constantly imagine in the form of picture slide show your confident self going from the approach to the f-close and then stepping inside each picture to hear/feel/see every that was going on. This is very powerful because by going through your whole routine so specifically you now should know what to say and do on every specific scenario that you apply it to.

i also have to say i feel kind of weird about actually "talking" of the kiss before hand. However I ve had a good success rate at k-closing using the following method:
1. Move the target to another location. You want her to be away from your friends, in a place (different room at a party, upstairs/downstairs bar, etc...) where you are the only person she knows. This creates a comfort zone for her plus all the attention will be focused on you
2. While keeping the convo going intensify the kino and look for cues from her. The best way to do this is when sitting down confortably on a sofa. I usually start by holding my arm around her waist, then move it to her legs, where I caress her lightly, and then stick my hand between her legs around knee level.
3. By now, you should be getting some IOIs back. Ideally you would want her to caress you back, or hold your hold your hand. Then, you let the conversation die (DON T do it if she just asked you a question though, you ll look creepy) and look her straight in the eyes with a romantic half-smile (don't smile too much but don't look to serious either or you might scare her). You can wait 3 seconds of eye contact to make your move, but usually by this time the deal is sealed and so...
4. Go for it!

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Im in agreement with drak on this one, telling them or asking them to kiss you takes away from the excitement of that first kiss. I've not tried asking or telling it's just a natural reaction with me and I've only been pushed away once which I thought was the end of the world. Until a few days later she invites me over to her place and damn near f-closed. You should be able to tell when someone is into you enough to move in, I think Neil Strauss describes it as the Doggy Dinner Bowl look. The downside of this is if you do get turned down you don't have very many directions to go with it afterward other than to try and C&F as best you can.

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Yeah, I agree drak.... I think its Mystery that calls it the "other" 3 second rule...... Sometimes which method you use will depend on the girl. Both methods are field tested and approved.

I havent been sarging very long but two of my absolute favorite kiss techniques are gold. The first is the almost kiss. During the conversation just playfully say I think we are ready for an almost kiss. The explain to her that that means that you put your faces inches apart with your lips at the same level. Once you do this if she hasn't kissed you pull away and "punish" her by removing tha kino, turning away etc. A few minutes later do it again. If she doesnt kiss you this time do the same as the first time. If she doesnt kiss you the third time you do it just look into her eyes, put your hand on her neck and pull her into you (obviously let her go if she pulls away frantically, and dont jerk her towards you just pull very gently and she will come to you) and kiss her.
The second way is a technique I saw in a workshop video once. Make up a game where you have to whisper something in each of her ears and make sure your faces are very close. About the third time just kiss her.

I don't remember who these are from bt if anyone knows any variations please post.

That whisper stuff is good material! Seems like the easiest way to build up the comfort of getting close, and puts both of you into your own little world, since everyone else will be talking loudly (assuming you're in a club or other social setting). Can't wait to try it out!

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really like that whispering stuff... it s def something you gotta use, i guess i didn't mention that in my post since i focused so much on kino escalation. But ya, the actual content of the convo don't really matter once you get to 3) what really matters is that you get really close to hear and whisper in her ear while she whispers back in yours.

Do you have more info on that 3 questions game? i d like to field test that

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Kosher, I am in total agreement with you on those two important points. Those tools are absolutely golden. I specifically like the whispering into their ears. This is perfect because, when I recall the play of a mixed group( boys and girls) the boys who knew the power of whispering in a girl's ear ususally had girls to play with. Sweet techniques.

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Ive used the mystery kiss close method and it has worked. but dont say like asking permission. say it in a cocky way as if your expecting her to say yes. Last time i did this she said "no, well at least not now." and then i said " i didnt say you could kiss me, but you can give me a peck" 1 min later i asked for another peck and we then started making out. Then bounced to the bathroom and from the bathroom, bounced to the bedroom. this was at a party.

I find that by locking eye contact during an awkward silence after some gaming and kino pinging you can judge how a girl will react to a kclose. If shes got "those eyes" as my boys and i refer to them, then its on. No talking just seize the moment. Eye contact is powerful so use it to your advantage because it shows confidence and can be very sexy if you time it right.